Why I won't dive with you.

[erparamedic]

ROFLMAO! I dive an Orca Pilot with the wet-touch contacts. Sometimes I simply lick my computer before the dive to wake it up and make sure it's functioning. That gets a few looks :11:

Now Mo2vation is going to add me to his "no dive" list:

No diving with people who lick their computers
Ber :lilbunny:

:lol: HAH!! Funny! Why not lick the computer... it's just been in the same water/germs that you've been in or that your gonna be in. You're gonna get all that stuff in your mouth anyway.... LOL

 

[The Chairman]

What you lack then is training. Walter is not that particularly big, I am. He has successfully lifted me out of the water TWICE during training. It's even easier if you have help, but you don't really need it.

Obviously, if you don't have the training to do something right, then don't even try. However, it's your choice if you want to continue to remain clueless on how to rescue people. It would also appear to me that if you lack this basic skill set, then you would probably have a hard time rescuing ANYONE. Using some of the logic here, since you can't rescue anyone maybe you shouldn't dive? I'll let you know when I am having my next rescue class so you can get back in the water.

 

[The Chairman]

Since being trained on the RB, I have come to the conclusion that mixed teams can work pretty easily, provided that everyone involved knows what is going on and what responses work in the event of an "issue" on either side.

This sounds more than reasonable to me.

 

[erparamedic]

My appologies, but I must cease participation in this thread for now...

I'm on the internet from work, which is running on a generator... St. Louis has been hit pretty badly by a major storm. At my home, the power and the water are both not working. I heard on the radio that we'll be under a boil order when the water is working again.

Sorry, I had lot's more good stuff to post, but it boils down too I don't understand the predjudice against fat people.

Yes, I get the argument that "John Skinny" doesn't think he can help a 400 lb. diver out of the water.

Have to go for now, wish me luck!

Hope to see you back on soon. Good luck with all the storms, water, and power issues. Stay safe.

 

[dherbman]

Pete, in my case, getting you out of the water is just the first step. Some of the sites I dive are isolated and the path to the water from the parking area is very rugged. Getting a person that weighs less than 200 would be a challenge for two people.

Since I really don't wish to remain clueless, tell me how you would evacuate a guy weighing in at 400 from a site that requires a 60 yard traverse up a steep, rock and boulder strewn "trail" to reach a vehicle.

 

[The Chairman]

DHerbman,

the most likely injury you or your buddy would encounter in such an environment would probably be spinal chord trauma. It does not matter at this point as the person in question would need to be airlifted out to avoid any additional trauma. I weigh just under three hundred. I have teenage girls routinely "save" me during their rescue class. This includes shore rescues at springs and on a boat/pool deck. They learn to do this alone and in pairs.

 

[NadMat]

What you lack then is training. Walter is not that particularly big, I am. He has successfully lifted me out of the water TWICE during training. It's even easier if you have help, but you don't really need it.

Obviously, if you don't have the training to do something right, then don't even try. However, it's your choice if you want to continue to remain clueless on how to rescue people. It would also appear to me that if you lack this basic skill set, then you would probably have a hard time rescuing ANYONE. Using some of the logic here, since you can't rescue anyone maybe you shouldn't dive? I'll let you know when I am having my next rescue class so you can get back in the water.

Not sure exactly who this post is addressed toward, but while not yet certified as rescue diver, I have had many rescue and first aid/ cpr courses over the course of my adventuring outdoors(backpacking, rock climbing, hang gliding, mountainbiking, scuba and about any other watersport outside of synchronized swimming). It has been these courses and other personal experiences that have made me aware of my limitations in managing a very large person. I am not sure if a rescue diver course would change that, but intend on getting at least that far in certs at some point fairly soon, the boy scout in me wants to 'be prepared'. But my previous training taught me to stay out of situations that I felt I could not manage. Could I get a 300 plus diver out of the water by myself? Maybe in most cases, even if not always able to do it 'properly'. But I would prefer to avoid putting myself in an unmanageable situation in the first place. JMAO

 

[dherbman]

Pete,
Where do you come up with spinal chord trauma? I'm sure you have some stats I don't, but I'd think the gear would help prevent that type of injury, while compounding the chance of other types of injuries, such as breaks.

I'll simplify the question:

How do I get an obese, incapacitated diver up a steep, rock and boulder strewn "trail" to reach a vehicle? Assuming I don't have any teenage girls available.

Dragging someone out of the water is not a rescue if their life is still in danger.

 

[Mo2vation]

Ken-

I've always enjoyed, and generally agreed with your posts. So I have to pose a question to you- would you still feel this way if you talked with said RB diver prior and discussed:
a. major failure modes and how they will be handled
b. what to look for to see a failure mode
c. contingency planning taking the differences in equipment into consideration

As a realtively new RB diver, I have LOTS of friends on OC whom I enjoy diving with. I have, in the past, been opposed to mixed teams of RB and OC divers. Since being trained on the RB, I have come to the conclusion that mixed teams can work pretty easily, provided that everyone involved knows what is going on and what responses work in the event of an "issue" on either side. We have developed a pretty thorough breifing that puts pretty much everyone at ease- the biggest complaint I get is that now the OC divers "can't even hear me" when I am in my favorite "helicopter attack position (behind and slightly above my buddy).

Heather

I thought about this after I made the post. I mean, what I need to learn about an RB to get get a guy out of a jam can likely be learned in a pre-dive briefing. Not unlike I give to the newly minted PADI AOW who is squinting at my long-hose-bungee-back-up-can-light-robo-rig.

I guess the RB diver thing made the top of the list after three bad experiences with RB divers as insta buddies. All three were from the same local shop and culture. On all three dives I ended up diving solo as RB diver guy abandoned the plan, ignored my 32% MOD and on one dive just flat out left me. It was unreal.

In looking back, I based its addition to the list on a could of bad experiences and have frankly never buddied up with an RB diver since. I know there was no pre-dive discussion before we hit the water. However, we just don't see many RB'ers out here on the boats I dive, and I never see them on the shore dives.

So you're saying I should give RB'ers a chance.... I'm there. I need to lighten up and try it again if the opportunity presents its self.

Thanks for the nudge.

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Ken

 

[chickdiver]

I thought about this after I made the post. I mean, what I need to learn about an RB to get get a guy out of a jam can likely be learned in a pre-dive briefing. Not unlike I give to the newly minted PADI AOW who is squinting at my long-hose-bungee-back-up-can-light-robo-rig.

I guess the RB diver thing made the top of the list after three bad experiences with RB divers as insta buddies. All three were from the same local shop and culture. On all three dives I ended up diving solo as RB diver guy abandoned the plan, ignored my 32% MOD and on one dive just flat out left me. It was unreal.

In looking back, I based its addition to the list on a could of bad experiences and have frankly never buddied up with an RB diver since. I know there was no pre-dive discussion before we hit the water. However, we just don't see many RB'ers out here on the boats I dive, and I never see them on the shore dives.

So you're saying I should give RB'ers a chance.... I'm there. I need to lighten up and try it again if the opportunity presents its self.

Thanks for the nudge.

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Ken

LOL- Your wlecome . Seriously- it all boils down to explaining the equipment differences and telling people what to look for. Otherwise- a good buddy is going to be a good buddy- whether they are on OC or an RB. If anything- the RB makes you more aware of maintianing awareness of the team and environment, as there is no longer the "bubble noise" to tell you that they are there.

I know this will make some people cringe, but our little group has maintained the same good old "DIR" team principles with the rb's- and that makes things go quite smoothly .