Why I won't dive with you.

[jbichsel]

Haven't read all the posts but...

Divers that consume too much alcohol before or after diving.

Divers that smoke pot. Yes, they are out there.

 

[SangP]

Cool thread,

Everyone is learning from everyone else.

SangP

 

[The Chairman]

You indicated that it would dangerous for TWO people to extricate just one person UNDER 200 pounds. This requires professional help and probably that means an air lift.

Most injuries in any rocky area are more likely to involve broken bones and/or spinal trauma. Trying to horse ANYONE out of that situation is probably more than risky.

But, I take it then that you never dive in these situations with less than three people?

Pete,
Where do you come up with spinal chord trauma? I'm sure you have some stats I don't, but I'd think the gear would help prevent that type of injury, while compounding the chance of other types of injuries, such as breaks.

I'll simplify the question:

How do I get an obese, incapacitated diver up a steep, rock and boulder strewn "trail" to reach a vehicle? Assuming I don't have any teenage girls available.

Dragging someone out of the water is not a rescue if their life is still in danger.

 

[The Chairman]

Divers that smoke pot. Yes, they are out there.

How do they keep their doobies lit???

 

[Mo2vation]

I know this will make some people cringe, but our little group has maintained the same good old "DIR" team principles with the rb's- and that makes things go quite smoothly .

It usually does.

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K

 

[Mo2vation]

How do they keep their doobies lit???

:lol:

Obviously diving full face masks.

Or a Mk V helmet (or whatever Diver Dan's copper lid is called)


---
Ken

 

[NadMat]

How do they keep their doobies lit???

no doobies while diving, ya use a water pipe, just gotta have that special low pressure hose to hook to it for air inflow

Or so I've been told....

This statement is to be taken as a joke and in no way endorses the use of marijuana or any other recreational drug use (including alchohol) while diving

 

[dherbman]

You indicated that it would dangerous for TWO people to extricate just one person UNDER 200 pounds. This requires professional help and probably that means an air lift.

No, I said it would be a challenge. Given the right equipment and training, anything is possible. Two people with a litter could swing the evac with no additional risk, but add another 100 or 200 pounds and it's a different situation.

Most injuries in any rocky area are more likely to involve broken bones and/or spinal trauma. Trying to horse ANYONE out of that situation is probably more than risky.

But, I take it then that you never dive in these situations with less than three people?

Like I posted, I'm looking at situations a bit differently now that I am liable. I don't get to choose which people I am liable for. If I am on site, I have an obligation to assist as best I can.

Obese divers and to a lesser degree, divers who smoke, are at greater risk of experiencing a potentially incapacitating medical emergency when engaging in physical activity. Their choice to engage in an activity that is beyond their physical capability can result in an outcome that has a direct and lasting effect on everyone involved.
I'm not saying that obese people shouldn't dive, but maybe they should restrict their diving to environments where they can be saved by teenage girls.

Is there any limit you would impose if you could? 400 or 500 pounds perhaps? Are you as OK with a 2 pack a day smoker who wheezes and chokes trying to climb a hill as you are with an obese person with the same limitations?

How do you feel about smokers? Do you tell the 2 pack a day guy who takes your OW class that it's just a personal choice or are you up front about the realities?

 

[dlndavid]

Anyway, here's my list of who I won't dive with:

* Divers who can't sneak up on submerged log.

Me too.

 

[scubavince]

Since I really don't wish to remain clueless, tell me how you would evacuate a guy weighing in at 400 from a site that requires a 60 yard traverse up a steep, rock and boulder strewn "trail" to reach a vehicle.

Hmmm....

One piece at a time?