Why does an LDS push newbies away from BP/WINGS?

[Boogie711]

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt - like I said earlier, you seemed to verge on being a nice guy... cancer survivor, all that jazz...

... but I couldn't figure out what your problem was. I just figured it out. With respect, Cinci - you're just acting incredibly immature.

Grow up please! I have nothing more to say on this topic or any of the others you're boring us to death ad nauseum on.

You remind me of an upset 4 year old girl in the backseat of the car, on the verge of throwing a tantrum, accusing her 6 year old brother of 'picking on herwhile all the while continuing to pester him anyway. Well, this diver isn't going to play. Accuse us of personal attacks all you want, the fact is - you're the one continuing to harass!

Just grow up. Until then, you just became the third person to make my ignore list.

 

[RichLockyer]

bwerb once bubbled...
I seriously can't believe the number of divers in jackets who have their tanks so low...and in most classes, the instructors seem to let everyone get in the water with them like that.

Oh man... constantly... every trip... over half of the group on the cattle boats.... they put the single cam band right at the break of the tank. If they were diving my HP120s, they'd be smacking their ankles during their giant stride.

And with the single cam band, by the time they get back to the boat, the tank is hanging by the hoses.

 

[Dryglove]

RichLockyer once bubbled...

And with the single cam band, by the time they get back to the boat, the tank is hanging by the hoses.

At the more popular dive sites in monterey(breakwater, lovers, etc) we will sit back and watch in amazement at how many divers will exit the water dragging their tanks behind them cause they slipped out of the cam band(s). Thank goodness they are great spots with easy exits or it would be ugly.

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

Boogie711 once bubbled...


you just became the third person to make my ignore list.

T H A N K .............. G O D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

lal7176 once bubbled...


At the more popular dive sites in monterey(breakwater, lovers, etc) we will sit back and watch in amazement at how many divers will exit the water dragging their tanks behind them cause they slipped out of the cam band(s). Thank goodness they are great spots with easy exits or it would be ugly.

I see this a lot too. It's very easy to make sure this won't happen. It's ashame it happens so often. But I've never seen in using two cam bands. I did own a Zeagle Tech about 5 summers back. One of the freaking Cam Bands just BROKE!

 

[Karl_in_Calif]

RichLockyer once bubbled...

Your history is a little off there, both in dates and order of occurrance.

My buddy certified in 1978, using a horsecollar.
It WAS orally inflated at depth, and worked fine as a BC.

IN 1975 when WE used horsecollars, there was very little procedural emphasis on inflating the B/C at depth. What was more common was to weight yourself at the surface, like a freediver, slightly positive, then KICK DOWN until you were neutral at about 30 to 60 ft.

WE really did not tend to use our horsecollar B/Cs until we were around 75 to 100 fsw, or deeper. There was no 130 fsw arbitrary convention about depth limit in those days.

RichLockyer once bubbled...
He went directly to a Seatek wing attached to the same Aqua Lung ABS backpack. Jackets didn't show up for a few more years.

He bought his first jacket BC in 2001, but is moving back to the wing.

Jeeze. So what if HE only bought his first jacket B/C in 2001? The jackets became popular in the late 70s mostly if not primarily due to ScubaPro.

RichLockyer once bubbled...

"Back in the 1960s" the horsecollar was either not available, or rarely used.

Rarely used perhaps. I can only speak for 1975, first hand.

 

[deepdiverbc]

Northeastwrecks once bubbled...
"My straps are adjusted so that I can get my thumb between the strap and my collarbone when I'm wearing the suit."

mgri once bubbled....
"when setting it up, must people (myself included) set it up with the shoulder straps way to tight. The shoulders straps really should only be tight enough to keep the backplate from tilting or rocking when your are not completely horizontal in the water. The waist strap and especial the crouch strap are what should be kept snug IMO."


Question?

I have a 7 mil neoprene dry suit. Wouldn't I have to tighten the straps substantially at the surface so that the rig isn't loose at depth when my suit compresses? I know this is the case with my weight belt.



RichLockyer once bubbled...
"Oh man... constantly... every trip... over half of the group on the cattle boats.... they put the single cam band right at the break of the tank. If they were diving my HP120s, they'd be smacking their ankles during their giant stride.

And with the single cam band, by the time they get back to the boat, the tank is hanging by the hoses."


Response....

I agree with part of what you say as I have seen some very low tanks on single staps. I watch the divers walking around after a dive and wait for the tank to drop. I do however understand why they are low. I have double bands and have lowered my tank because it prevents the first stage and hoses from banging me in the back of the head during a dive if I look up.

 

[Dryglove]

CincyBengalsFan once bubbled...
I did own a Zeagle Tech about 5 summers back. One of the freaking Cam Bands just BROKE!

That would suck if its your only cam band and you had to make a rough surf exit to the beach. Not to brag but my BP has two cam bands with nice solid metal buckles and i make darn sure they are tight before going into the water especially when diving spots like N. Monastery beach. I go even as far as strapping on the tank with wet bands and let it sit for about 10 min and undo the straps and retighten it again. That way i know my tank is gonna stay in place no matter what.

 

[jplacson]

Someone seems to have a Halcyon wing with 2 straps and the "Super Cam Buckle" (which is basically a fancy way of saying 'our buckles are metal, and yours are plastic') :lol:

Good for you lal7176! I've got a Pioneer 27 myself.

I love the BP/wing.

And as much of a new BP advocate as I am... I have to say, I don't really see anything wrong with jackets.

The main reason I shifted to a BP was that I hate the 'squeeze' of jackets, and the air trapping. That's about it, I never had any problems with trim, finning position, or hovering while in a jacket.

 

[Northeastwrecks]

deepdiverbc once bubbled...
Northeastwrecks once bubbled...
Question?

I have a 7 mil neoprene dry suit. Wouldn't I have to tighten the straps substantially at the surface so that the rig isn't loose at depth when my suit compresses? I know this is the case with my weight belt.

I have not been diving in a heavy wetsuit in a couple of years. However, I do not experience any problems in a 3mm when I'm in the Carribean.

In addition, I dive with several people who wear heavy wetsuits. They do not seem to experience any problems.

Perhaps the one thing that I do notice is that I overtighten the waist strap a bit in order to keep it tight at depth.