Why does an LDS push newbies away from BP/WINGS?

[Charlie99]

My experience is that it isn't that dive shops push newbies away from BP/wings and towards jackets, but rather that they tend to think "BP/wing for doubles", "jackets for singles".

About a year ago I was checking out BP/wings and at 3 different shops the guys I spoke to had BP for their doubles, but dove singles exclusively with jackets. This was true whether they sold Halcyon or another brand.

I found the experience rather frustrating, since 4 separate individuals at 3 different shops independently gave me the same advice -- don't bother with BP for singles, but none of them were able to clearly explain the reason for their preference. Their advice wasn't financially motivated, since I already had a jacket and they were discouraging the purchase of BP/wings.

A couple of them had used an adaptor and smaller wings with singles a couple times, but weren't impressed enough to change over from their singles jacket BC. The other 2 hadn't even bothered to try BP/wings with singles, although they were actively using a BP for doubles, and had ready access to adaptors and smaller wings for singles.

It remains one of the minor mysteries of life.

Another mystery is why jacket BCs so rapidly took over the single tank diving scene when they were first introduced.

 

[bwerb]

How many OW students do you see taking their classes with their tanks way too low on their backs? One of the things which a BP/wing makes really easy is nailing down trim and allowing you to consistently be able to reach your tank valve.

I seriously can't believe the number of divers in jackets who have their tanks so low...and in most classes, the instructors seem to let everyone get in the water with them like that.

I could not believe what a difference a BP made on the very first dive. It was so rock solid it was unbelievable. I totally think it would make a huge difference in trim control if it was used from day one.

 

[Don Burke]

Charlie99 once bubbled... Another mystery is why jacket BCs so rapidly took over the single tank diving scene when they were first introduced.

They are more comfortable on the sales floor.

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

Don Burke once bubbled...
They are more comfortable on the sales floor.

Jackets BC's are awesome. Anyone saying otherwise is just a fool. However; on the otherhand, BP/Wings are super nice too. So now what?

Fact is though, a jacket style BC is simpler for the O/W shopper. For starters they don't have to put the BC together. It comes pre-assembled.

But the fact is also, some O/W shoppers are in fact better off buying a BP/Wings.

So again, now what?

Well, to be sensible, you could open mindedly make a list of all the negatives and positives of each style and go from there. Also, list the type of diving you'll be doing and consider that too.

But for what ever reason. When people decide that the normal system is right for them....THEY GET BLASTED.

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

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[Don Burke]

CincyBengalsFan once bubbled... Jackets BC's are awesome. Anyone saying otherwise is just a fool. However; on the otherhand, BP/Wings are super nice too. So now what?

That is an interesting question. I have no idea why it is being asked of me.

CincyBengalsFan once bubbled... Fact is though, a jacket style BC is simpler for the O/W shopper. For starters they don't have to put the BC together. It comes pre-assembled.

But the fact is also, some O/W shoppers are in fact better off buying a BP/Wings.

So again, now what?

See above.

CincyBengalsFan once bubbled... Well, to be sensible, you could open mindedly make a list of all the negatives and positives of each style and go from there. Also, list the type of diving you'll be doing and consider that too.

But for what ever reason. When people decide that the normal system is right for them....THEY GET BLASTED.

This is all coming from someone who repeatedly whines about how the regulators treat him. Apparently two threads of over 700 messages aren't enough to contain you any more.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[Boogie711]

Jackets BC's are awesome. Anyone saying otherwise is just a fool.

I think jacket BC's are evil. I dove them in training, and as soon as I was certified, tried a BP/Wing with a single tank... and wouldn't buy anything else.

Yessiree - I'll be happy to call myself a fool if that's the criteria you're going to use.

Someday, you should irrigate your ear wax or something, Cincy - you might just let an original thought sneak into your brain or something. Until then - don't accuse us of being personal. You're the one being insulting and closed-minded.

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

Don Burke once bubbled...
That is an interesting question. I have no idea why it is being asked of me.See above.This is all coming from someone who repeatedly whines about how the regulators treat him. Apparently two threads of over 700 messages aren't enough to contain you any more.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Well Burke, you still just don't get it. I would like you to point out when I've "whined" about regulators? Are you talking about donating your primary, if I was whining. What were you doing then? Never mind.

It's a real ashame there are divers like you that just don't get it.

Please keep me on your ignore list, whatever you do so I never have to read another one of these or make another one of these ridiculous responses. ADIOS !

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

Boogie711 once bubbled...


I think jacket BC's are evil. I dove them in training, and as soon as I was certified, tried a BP/Wing with a single tank... and wouldn't buy anything else.

Yessiree - I'll be happy to call myself a fool if that's the criteria you're going to use.

Someday, you should irrigate your ear wax or something, Cincy - you might just let an original thought sneak into your brain or something. Until then - don't accuse us of being personal. You're the one being insulting and closed-minded.

OK, "irrigate your ear wax" is not insulting. I'm glad you like the BP/WINGS and it worked out for you. If you think jacket style BC's are evil. More power to you. But they're not.

 

[Northeastwrecks]

CincyBengalsFan once bubbled...
Fact is though, a jacket style BC is simpler for the O/W shopper. For starters they don't have to put the BC together. It comes pre-assembled. .

So do BP's. We assemble them and fit them to the diver before they leave the shop. The entire process takes about 45 minutes.