Tim, HOG is a line of gear that is more or less directed towards the tech crowd but it more than suitable for recreational divers. THey also have some equipment directed towards the recreational diver that is marketed under the EDGE brand. Go to Dive Rght In Scuba's website. They are running a black friday sale that starts at 6ish tonite. I talked to Mike yesterday and he is looking at going live with the sale a little early. I'm definitely getting two of the coldwater setups. Now they DO NOT come with hoses. Tech divers have different hose length needs and HOG lets us decide what length is best. The Pres of HOG/EDGE is also a recent friend of mine and I trust him and his gear.