Question Which scooter? (used genesis vs seacraft go)

[NLoma001]

Starting to look at buying a dpv...Considering range, noise etc I am leaning towards seacraft go however saw someone had listed a used dive logic 600 used for about thr same price (listing was a bit confusing as it had a warpcore upgrade and also says genesis 2.0 on thr tail. Anyone have insight on if this might actually be a genesis 2.1 or how thr 3 1 2.1 700 differ? Also what would you choose...Seacraft go? Used genesis?

Usecase: South Florida rec dives mostly

 

[grantmac]

Genesis 100%

 

[Jon Nellis]

It looks like a Genesis 600 that was upgraded to 2.1 last year.

Be careful with Facebook, there have been reports of people getting scammed with DPV sales on marketplace.



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[Jollymon32]

I have both.
The best one to get is determined by the use case.
If you are using it off a dive boat for 2 to 3 dives per day, get the Go. The size and weight is an advantage over the Genesis.

If you need range and speed, the Genesis is the one to go with. You can see several of my posts where I detail how the Go performed when doing beach dives and the other divers had Genesis. The Genesis is significantly larger and heavier than the Go.

 

[stuartv]

I would like to have both.

I do have a Genesis 2.1. It is awesome.

But, there are some boat and shore dives where a Go! would do the job just as well (for me) and be smaller and lighter at the same time.

If I were only going to have one, it would definitely be the Genesis.

You probably already know this, but just to make sure: You can replace all the batteries in the Genesis 2.1 for about $350. And you can get them from any reputable retailer of 18650 batteries.

A new set of batteries for a Go! are something like $2200. And you can only get them from your friendly Seacraft dealer.

 

[Jollymon32]

I would like to have both.

I do have a Genesis 2.1. It is awesome.

But, there are some boat and shore dives where a Go! would do the job just as well (for me) and be smaller and lighter at the same time.

If I were only going to have one, it would definitely be the Genesis.

You probably already know this, but just to make sure: You can replace all the batteries in the Genesis 2.1 for about $350. And you can get them from any reputable retailer of 18650 batteries.

A new set of batteries for a Go! are something like $2200. And you can only get them from your friendly Seacraft dealer.

Sure, but how often will you replace the batteries? The validity of that argument must be put into the context of the replacement interval which is between 300-500 charging cycles. If you used the scooter every single weekend, that would put the interval between 6 to10 years. Most likely than not, one has sold the scooter long before that.

 

[stuartv]

Sure, but how often will you replace the batteries? The validity of that argument must be put into the context of the replacement interval which is between 300-500 charging cycles. If you used the scooter every single weekend, that would put the interval between 6 to10 years. Most likely than not, one has sold the scooter long before that.

The batteries gradually deteriorate, whether you use them or not.

I believe I have read that every 5 years or so would be a not unreasonable interval for changing them. However, that is obviously going to be very dependent on a LOT of different variables. Especially, how tolerant the individual is to having their scooter only operating with, for example, half its original capacity.

Also, you can find yourself having to replace batteries “prematurely” as the result of a variety of accidents or defects.

I bought my Genesis brand new in the box, but from a guy who had let it sit in its original box, in a warehouse for several years. It needed all new batteries just because of how long it sat without getting a top-up charge.

To me, the cost of replacement batteries is not something to just dismiss as “I’ll sell it before that matters.” Even if you do sell it before replacing the batteries, it has a significant effect on resale value.

 

[grantmac]

I wouldn't buy a scooter that HAD to use only factory batteries.
My Genesis 1200 came with dead batteries, I replaced them with aftermarket. I could have also done an upgrade to the latest hardware in my shell.
Neglect can kill batteries, so can time. I bet very few DPV batteries actually hit their cycle lifespan.

 

[stuartv]

I wouldn't buy a scooter that HAD to use only factory batteries.

I wouldn't either - unless it was the only option with the desired feature set.

I may yet buy a Go! just because of how small and light it is.

But, what I would LOVE to see is a Genesis 3.05. A miniaturized Genesis, on par with the size and weight of the Go!. Something with a smaller Warp Core that was maybe 500 - 600 W-Hr.

Less thrust than the 3.1/3.2 would be fine, too, as long as it was at least as much as the Go!.

At the Go! price point, of course.

Yes, I know it's a pipe dream....

 

[flymolo]

genesis scooters are awesome