Where is the outrage?

[Fish_Whisperer]

Green, why can't you simply be civilized and say, "Sorry, Frank. I disagree with your point of view."? What's so hard about that? Whatever... You're a responsible alcohol user. So what. How is that different? Certainly, you would be condemned for having a glass of scotch, according to several sects of Christianity. Your sense of morality may not be the same as someone else's, and the best we can do is agree to disagree. There's no need to beat the crap out of people with your self-righteousness. *shrug* Just because something is legal or illegal, generally has no bearing on whether something is right or wrong. That's just lazy. The real question of whether something is right or wrong, can only be answered in one's own heart. I don't partake of weed, but I don't agree with it being illegal either, and I wouldn't (and don't) condemn the friends of mine who use it.

 

[fairybasslet]

Frankly, people who are self-proclaimed "responsible drinkers" who drink for the taste, not the buzz, scare me more than the winos in the Bowery, but not more than some coke head. Unless said responsible drinker gets behind the wheel

 

[Green_Manelishi]

Green, why can't you simply be civilized and say, "Sorry, Frank. I disagree with your point of view."? What's so hard about that? Whatever... You're a responsible alcohol user. So what. How is that different? Certainly, you would be condemned for having a glass of scotch, according to several sects of Christianity. Your sense of morality may not be the same as someone else's, and the best we can do is agree to disagree. There's no need to beat the crap out of people with your self-righteousness. *shrug* Just because something is legal or illegal, generally has no bearing on whether something is right or wrong. That's just lazy. The real question of whether something is right or wrong, can only be answered in one's own heart. I don't partake of weed, but I don't agree with it being illegal either, and I wouldn't (and don't) condemn the friends of mine who use it.

I am civilized.

Alchohol is legal. Dope is not.

If we all decide what is right/wrong in our own heart the end result is chaos.

Later.

 

[Green_Manelishi]

Frankly, people who are self-proclaimed "responsible drinkers" who drink for the taste, not the buzz, scare me more than the winos in the Bowery, but not more than some coke head. Unless said responsible drinker gets behind the wheel

I'll bet I scare you whether or not I am responsible

 

[Fish_Whisperer]

Thank you for doing your level best to absolutely misunderstand, misconstrue, exaggerate, and be completely over the top, GM. I am suddenly reminded of why I quit visiting the Whine & Cheeze forum, and especially, quit entering into discussions with you. There are certainly other people more willing to engage in intelligent discourse. Take care.

 

[The Kraken]

The author of this thread created this thread to discuss the current social/legal aspects of the consumption of alcohol and driving.

This, in itself, is a very volatile topic. The positions and emotions of this issue can be very strong.

Let's not add additional fuel to this topic by including the use of illegal drugs.

Please, limit the discussion in this thread to the author's premise, unless the author indicates that he would be acceptable to the inclusion of other substances and/or drugs.

Thank you.

The Kraken

 

[Fish_Whisperer]

Point taken, Kraken. *standing down* Thank you.

 

[Land Locked]

Not to mention the sober soccer moms talking on their cell phones and the self professed college educated with their custom plates that try to run me off the road every darn morning going to work! Where is the outrage, where in the heck to these supposedly educated people learn to drive???

It shouldn't be called a morning traffic report, it should be called the "Idiot Report."

 

[The Kraken]

Once again, let's keep this thread on the topic of alcohol and driving, unless Otter indicates otherwise.

The Kraken

 

[Cacia]

On a positive note, I think drunk driving fatalites are way down, aren't they? well, somewhat the state by state sort of surprised me. New Hampshire has a little problem.

Total fatalities Alcohol related fatalities

Year Number Number Percent
1982 43,945 26,173 60
1983 42,589 24,635 58
1984 44,257 24,762 56
1985 43,825 23,167 53
1986 46,087 25,017 54
1987 46,390 24,094 52
1988 47,087 23,833 51
1989 45,582 22,424 49
1990 44,599 22,587 51
1991 41,508 20,159 49
1992 39,250 18,290 47
1993 40,150 17,908 45
1994 40,716 17,308 43
1995 41,817 17,732 42
1996 42,065 17,749 42
1997 42,013 16,711 40
1998 41,501 16,673 40
1999 41,717 16,572 40
2000 41,945 17,380 41
2001 42,196 17,400 41
2002 43,005 17,524 41
2003 42,643 17,013 40
2004 42,518 16,919 39
2005 43,443 16,885 39