Whats wrong with DIR

[cornfed]

chrpai once bubbled...
I thought I already defended WKPP on that subject and said essentially that very same thing.

You... um... err... nevermind.

 

[Genesis]

So what you are saying is that you refused to answer even one direct question even after I took the time to respond point by point to your post and your only true intention is to turn this thread into another solo debate..

Did 'ya read the post Mike?

I answered your question. The answer is in the last two paragraphs.

Go back and re-read it please.

Its there.

 

[MHK]

chrpai once bubbled...


GUE doesn't have an OW cert and they aren't a member of RSTC, so other then nice to have merit badges, why should a charter except them solely by themselves?

Hey Chris,

What exactly is it that you think that being a member of the RSTC does for you anyway???

If truth be told, all the members agree to abide by the minimum standards established.. GUE's standards are far above the "minimum" that the RSTC provides for, such to the point that when we changed insurance companies this year, the insurance company's lawyer's had to seperately review our standards since we didn't qualify for the "boilerplate" insurance policies because of our higher standards..

Now you may wish to worry about the "minimum's, whereas at GUE we are trying to raise the bar, not meet the minimum's required by an obscure panel with outdated and arcane standards.. BTW, we don't require snorkels, whereas as a RSTC member you need to require a snorkel so would you suggest that we all dive with snorkels now???

Later

 

[OneBrightGator]

O-ring once bubbled...
Painter and Genesis...get a freakin clue before you start running off at the mouth again. You have both been given numerous chances to bow out of this debate but it almost seems like you are determined to keep making yourselves look more and more idiotic. Were you aware that you have to be an NSS-CDS member to access certain dive sites? OMG! A conspiracy!

Now come on! To become an NSS-CDS member, go here:

https://www.dayo.net/secure/cds/mbrformy.htm

Fill out the form, put down your $30 (which is about what you'd pay to get into Ginnie once) and you could probably get into any one of these sites next week (with the requisite experience):

http://www.nsscds.com/Divesites.htm

Now... show me how to get into any of GUEs sites... oh... wait... they haven't ponied up to protect any like the CDS. Well... show me how to get into any of the WKPPs sites... oh... wait... they don't own any sites either, and the ones they dive in they keep to themselves.

The NACD and the NSS-CDS are looking out for every cave diver, GUE and WKPP are only looking out for themselves and using your money to do it.

Ben

 

[Genesis]

All 'ya gotta do is analyze Cronin's origins and how PADI came to be, and its goals.

Or look at SSI's policies with shop affiliation and requirements, and their new "attempt" at bundling.

Want to set a higher bar Mike?

I'll let you in on a secret - you won't get there in any meaningful sense until you divorce yourself from the incest in the "current way of doing things."

GUE isn't even close to being there. In fact, if anything, Halcyon has taken that abuse to a new high (or low, depending on how you look at it), and the interlocking game is not only alive and well, but the noose is cranked ever-tighter....

 

[MHK]

Genesis once bubbled...


Did 'ya read the post Mike?

I answered your question. The answer is in the last two paragraphs.

Go back and re-read it please.

Its there.

I have no idea what you are trying to say, why not try to write a pithy post answering my very direct question..

Later

 

[cornfed]

chrpai once bubbled...
They was the DIR proponents, not Scubaboard.

Chris I can't find anything about this. Where was it discussed and who were the DIR proponents that were against it?

 

[chrpai]

O-ring once bubbled...

Likewise...somehow I think we will both get over it though..

True. In fact I wouldn't mind catching a flight back to VA and have a chilly willy dive with you at Millbrook.

Before you get too scared of diving with a stroke, ask DivePartner1 or Scott Cadle if they enjoyed diving with me. I'm really not that bad in real life.

 

[cornfed]

chrpai once bubbled...
I'm really not that bad in real life.

Would you answer my question about the DIR forum?

 

[Genesis]

Just for Mike..... (even though I sent him back to that post, and told him to read the last few paragraphs...)

You want to know why I care, this is why. It is that the incessant pontification by you, GI (now departed, so I assume that will stop) and others "involved" in the GUE advocacy process that bother me, when the facts simply don't support the claims.

Some of that will draw a response, but only one - like your claim that somehow the other agency programs are responsible for the high "drop out" rate, and comparing diving to skiing. That's so silly as to be rediculous, and has to be a result of willful blindness - as I pointed out.

But when we are talking about diving fatalities, and claims are being made of differences in safety, I argue that before some agency takes a position, either officially or through their spokespeople (named or defacto), the ducks had better all be lined up in a nice, neat row, and the statistical evidence had better be clear before the claims are made - because the outcome of such pontifications is often intervention and interference with freedom.