Whats wrong with DIR

[MikeFerrara]

cornfed once bubbled...


You can't deny that the WKPP, EKPP and other DIR groups have done some amazing this. But to say that they're the only people capable of such feats is silly.

I agree.

 

[Scubamedicjoe]

Personally I am sorry others didn’t or don’t like DIR so if that’s the case don’t DIVE IT, don’t READ about it and don’t ADOPT there equipment styles and guidelines, That’s
All that needs to be said.
I try to include some of the DIR-F training into my wreck diving and have in long run made me a safer and more observant diving so for me it has improved my diving in general.
I cannot say I am 100% DIR because I am still a recreational diver who enjoy wreck diving.

 

[pipedope]

If spearfishing is not DIR then how can DIR be right for ALL diving?

My biggest complaint with the DIR crowd in general is the insistence that DIR is the one and only way to dive for all diving.
Clearly it is not for all diving and not even for all recreational diving.

DIR is a great system but please don't try to oversell it as being perfect for everything.

 

[doole]

detroit diver once bubbled...



I got started, and couldn't stop.....sorry!

No worries. Biggest problem with GUE for me is that I live in Winnipeg - it's going to be a while before they get here, I would think.

I suppose I could travel somewhere that it's offered but when I come back I'll be the only one with that education - not much point in being a peg without a hole. Especially with DIR, where your buddy is the main focus, as I understand it.

 

[cornfed]

medic13 once bubbled...
I cannot say I am 100% DIR because I am still a recreational diver who enjoy wreck diving.

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[MHK]

pipedope once bubbled...
If spearfishing is not DIR then how can DIR be right for ALL diving?

My biggest complaint with the DIR crowd in general is the insistence that DIR is the one and only way to dive for all diving.
Clearly it is not for all diving and not even for all recreational diving.

DIR is a great system but please don't try to oversell it as being perfect for everything.

I was trying hard to avoid this thread since there really doesn't appear to be an honest willingness on behalf of the original poster, and several other's seem to just want to continue to perpetuate their preconcieved notions about what DIR is all about..

That being said, for those that believe spearfishing is beyond the scope of DIR, perhaps they should take the time to search the tech diver archives and you'll see story after story of George Irvine and Dan Volker discussing their 200' or 300' spear fishing expeditions, in the Gulfstream all done DIR style..

To feed the original troll as to what I would change about DIR, it would be the insasitable appetite to debate minutae with some that have no real desire to understand DIR but are simply looking for one iota of an inconsistency in the hopes that they can find one. If they ever find one they will then claim that since there is one inconsistency, that therefore opens the door for them to put whatever personal preference they have into the DIR philosophy under the cover of protection which would ultimatley bastardize the holistic nature of DIR..

If I could change anything about DIR it would be that when DIR initially came onto the interent scene it was discussed with curiosity, but now currently it is so misunderstood because some just want to look for holes in the system rather then look for the benefits..

The other thing I would change is the myth that our opponents subscribe to us in that you'll die if you don't dive DIR. All we are saying is that DIR is a safer and more efficient way to dive, none of us really care if you dive DIR or not, nor are we out here wasting our time trying to convince you of anything. We really don't care if you adopt DIR or not as you would like everyone to believe. To those that are seeking our advise and for those that are interested in learning more about DIR we remain available to help, but our goal isn't to try to "convert" anyone..

Lastly, the final thing I would change is the notion that DIR is all about a standardized gear configuration. Those of us that have taken the time to understand and appreciate the DIR philosophy recognize the absurdity of such a premise, but many think if you breath a long hose and dive a Halcyon BP & wings that makes you DIR..

Later

 

[ScoobyPat]

Thanks MHK for the best post in this thread.

 

[Scubamedicjoe]

replying to cornfed
quote:medic13 once bubbled...
I cannot say I am 100% DIR because I am still a recreational diver who enjoy wreck diving.
I am a recreational diver who enjoyed the DIR-F class and learned allot, I use’s some of there equipment configurations as I feel its safer, this its used in my diving don't mean I agree with everything 100% kind of like padi and some of the others certify organizations, who I feel is just after the Dollar and not into truly safe diving. All most all main certify organizations have very relaxed diving standards and I feel the DIR-F class actually improves on your skills in buoyancy and other skills. I feel there’s been enough said this is going to be beat to death again bottom line if you don’t like don’t try or talk about it ECT....

 

[Spectre]

pipedope once bubbled...
If spearfishing is not DIR then how can DIR be right for ALL diving?
[...]
DIR is a great system but please don't try to oversell it as being perfect for everything.

Ok... lets step back a second. When was DIR stated to be right for all diving? Can you dive solo DIR? Can you dive deep air DIR?

I don't believe DIR is meant for every type of diving. It's meant to make diving safer. That might mean removing certain unsafe diving practices. That doesn't invalidate DIR as much as it invalidates such things as solo diving and deep air. Most people accept those as bad.

Step back and look at spearfishing and see _why_ it becomes "not DIR". Is it because you're spearfishing, or is it something else. Like buddy separation? In which case how is that more valid than solo diving? Is there ways to make it safer [e.g. scooters or something?].

The police tell me that driving over the speed limit is dangerous. Does that mean the police are wrong because I like to drive fast? It's all about weighing the risks and deciding if the risk is worth the reward.

 

[Genesis]

That doesn't invalidate DIR as much as it invalidates such things as solo diving and deep air. Most people accept those as bad.

Statistics say you're wrong - at least half of all divers admit to solo diving at least part of the time, and even more admit to "SOB" diving (Same-ocean buddies). In fact, the majority of "buddy teams" are SOB divers, and very few divers see ANYTHING wrong with that.

Spearfishing is, almost by definition, "SOB" diving if you are paired with another spearfisherman or even if the other diver is just there as a "watcher" or "spotter." At least it is if you're shooting "real" fish. I will concede that if your "spearfishing" consists of poking flounder, you can do that while diving "DIR".

Anyone who thinks overwise needs to come spear a 4' AJ offshore Destin with me, and then try to keep up when the fish takes off like a scooter with a rocket booster on the back - and me in tow. I'll provide you with the boat ride, the sites with the AJs, and will provide my own gun. All you have to do is meet the "DIR standards" for being my buddy while I shoot the fish.

If you can meet the definition of being a "buddy" to me in those conditions, you're not a diver - you're Superman.