Whats wrong with DIR

[O-ring]

...that you two are the only zealots that we hear pontificating at the moment?

"Um, hello pot? Yeah, this is the kettle.. Dude, you are like.. black"

 

[MechDiver]

chrpai once bubbled...


So would the point of DIR be to find the safest way possible to spearfish, or would you say that spearfishing's risk is unacceptable and therefore not DIR?

The level of obtusiveness in this thread, let alone this post, is beyond belief. You people need to engage your brains and get lives.
Gad. What total drivel.

 

[cornfed]

Genesis once bubbled...
Because the DIR zealots, of which there are a number of them on this board...

You referred to me as a zealot in another thread. Unfortunately that thread was closed before you could address that issue. Since you've brought up zealots again, care to elaborate on that now?

 

[Genesis]

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/zealot

'Nuff said.

(BTW, CF, I don't believe I referred explicitly to YOU in that regard, but if, after reading the definition, you feel the shoe fits, feel free to wear it.)

 

[Spectre]

cornfed once bubbled...
You referred to me as a zealot in another thread. Unfortunately that thread was closed before you could address that issue. Since you've brought up zealots again, care to elaborate on that now?

Don't bother Cornfed. If there is one thing that Karl is an expert on, it's zealotry.

 

[cornfed]

Genesis once bubbled...

BTW, CF, I don't believe I referred explicitly to YOU in that regard

That's how I read it. Just checking, my mistake.

 

[detroit diver]

Since you skipped over this, I'll ask it again:

Genesis,

Have your ever taken a GUE course? If so, which one?

detroit diver once bubbled...
Hey Genesis,

Have you ever taken a GUE course? If so, which one?

 

[MHK]

Genesis once bubbled...


Because the DIR zealots, of which there are a number of them on this board, have continually pontificated that:

I don't care how someone chooses to dive. I do very much care when they use their view of how they wish to dive in an attempt to force me to dive that way (or not dive at all!), no matter how obliquely that position is presented in an attempt to keep it off the radar.

I guarantee that I'm going to regret responding to you, but at some point you need to be called on your BS.

You wrote:

I do very much care when they use their view of how they wish to dive in an attempt to force me to dive that way (or not dive at all!),

No matter how many times you repeat this mantra does NOT make it true.. Let's be clear on a few things here:

1) We aren't "forcing" you to do ANYTHING whatsoever.

2) Our view is being presented in an attempt to help those that want to hear about DIR, those that want more information about DIR and for those that are interested in how DIR can make their diving safer and more efficient.. If you don't fall into that catagorey then our advise isn't for you.. It's pretty much as simple as that, no matter how complicated you'd like to obfuscate the issue..

We say time and time again that DIR isn't for everyone, but the problem is that those that are admittedly in the non-DIR crowd continually want us to "convince" them that they should be DIR and then use that platform to suggest that we are telling, or forcing them as you say, how to dive.. Genesis, Chris et. al PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE hear this for the umptenth time, WE DON'T CARE HOW YOU DIVE, our intention in discussions is to offer how we dive to those that are interested.. If you aren't those that are interested then the advise is inapplicable, it's that simple.. Any other effort on your part is, in my mind, an attempt to pull yourself into a discussion that, by your own admission, does NOT apply to you, so the real question is why do you continue to do it???

Later

 

[Genesis]

GUE offers me nothing that I want and am unable to get elsewhere, has a convoluted path to what I do want that I find obsessive and unreasonable, and further, has a demonstrated lack of objectivity in their "requirements" for students.

The latter is easily found - their standards for smoking .vs. other forms of physical compromise in cardio conditioning (body mass, etc), along with their claimed right to "revoke" someone's awarded card without an objective, clearly described list of what action(s) would constitute cause.

And no, I'm not a smoker - but I do object to arbitrary and capricious "standards", as if an organization is willing to publish such things, then I have every reason to expect that the same arbitrary and capricious standards will be used in "evaluating" my performance and possibly used to silence any criticism that might later emerge.

If I'm going to pay to learn something, I insist on an objective, documented set of demonstrated skills, metrics and/or achievement(s) that constitute "passing". If revocation of one's credentials is possible, then I demand that the standards for doing so also be clearly published and form an inherent part of the contractual understanding I have with that organization.

I have no reason to believe I will receive anything objective with GUE, ergo, until and unless GUE was to remove the arbitrary and capricious nature of their "requirements" and what they reserve the right to do, I will not take one of their classes for certification purposes.

There's more, but that's enough.

 

[MikeFerrara]

This is getting funny.

I sure don't give a crap about statistics because I've already seen too many people hurt and hords of near misses. If the statistics say diving is safe and dive training is ok then they're a lie or our definition of good enough needs to change.

We don't have to care if it's safe though. That's ok too. Who ever said it has to be safe?

OTOH, I've never seen a diver who had good solid skills get hurt (or even close) diving. Are good skills unique to DIR? No. So that still doesn't prove anything. However, none of the divers I've seen hurt were DIR either. Is that because DIR pushes good skills or because of something that is unique to DIR? That would be a real hard one to prove. If only a few are hurt then even less will be hurt because of some tiny subset of their methods.

On the other side though, I don't see any one DIR trying to force any one else into doing anything. Oh, we have a few internet divers who have yet to do much diving telling others who have that they're doing it wrong. Educate them, ignore em or just look for the entertainment value.


BTW, again, I only brought up the sidemount issue because some one said that if a better way was developed to do something that it would become DIR. It is a better way to do some things and when GUE comes out with a sidemount class I want to be the first to sign up. Just tell me where and when.