Whats wrong with DIR

[MikeFerrara]

Don Burke once bubbled...
The DIR guys in Europe seem to do a lot of sumps. There is a site out of The Netherlands with quite a bit on it. That might be a good source for information.

http://www.frogkick.nl/

Sorry but you couldn't get that equipment to most sumps forget about inside them.

Check out NEST or the CDG. Where is Duncan when you need him?

Could you imagine hauling double 104's through a mile or so of dry cave that requires vertical rope work? I've seen guys traverse multiple sumps interparsed with thousands of feet of dry cave in place where you couldn't get a set of doubles without a helo. LOL Of course if you got them there you still couldn't fit them through the restrictions.

There are worthy cave systems all over this country and others being totally ignored by the internet.

 

[Don Burke]

MikeFerrara once bubbled... Could you imagine hauling double 104's through a mile or so of dry cave that requires vertical rope work?

Double 104s are not required to be DIR. If smaller tanks can do the job, use them.

MikeFerrara once bubbled... I've seen guys traverse multiple sumps interparsed with thousands of feet of dry cave in place where you couldn't get a set of doubles without a helo. LOL Of course if you got them there you still couldn't fit them through the restrictions.

Then go sidemount or nomount.

MikeFerrara once bubbled... There are worthy cave systems all over this country and others being totally ignored by the internet.

I suspect so. There is quite a bit of caving done right here in Virginia that doesn't get much notice. I'd like to go see the explorers go to it, but it all seems to be a heck of a drive for me as I live pretty close to the ocean.

 

[Spectre]

chrpai once bubbled...
Then of course there is our wonderful regulator Spectre who thinks its just perfect the way it is.

I didn't say that.

I asked "Why would someone dive a system they didn't believe in"

 

[d33ps1x]

Doesn't this get tiring?

 

[MikeFerrara]

Don Burke once bubbled...
Double 104s are not required to be DIR. If smaller tanks can do the job, use them.

No but back mounted tanks are.

Then go sidemount or nomount.

That's my point.

I suspect so. There is quite a bit of caving done right here in Virginia that doesn't get much notice. I'd like to go see the explorers go to it, but it all seems to be a heck of a drive for me as I live pretty close to the ocean.

Those caves (and others around the world) are being explored. Check out NEST (for example). They are an NSS project I think so you can get info.

Like I said. These divers have methods and procedures that work in the environments they dive. They're just not on the internet tooting their own horn. It's not DIR and DIR hasn't incorporated the methods. Rather they've just decided to stay out of those environments.

I'll admit that the techniques used to explor those environments are not as applicable accross the board to most divers as DIR. As far as exploration though they're ignoring most of the worlds caves.

Is Wakulla more importand from a research standpoint or is it just bigger, prettier, warmer with better vis and long enough and deep enough to get a worlds record in?

I wouldn't have brought any of this up except you made this statement...

If someone comes up with a better way to do something, it will end up being the DIR way in very short order, so improvements are getting pretty hard to come by.

Better ways to do some things have been around since the very beginning (the CDG for instance). DIR has not incorporated them but rather decided not to do those things.

 

[cornfed]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...

There are worthy cave systems ... being totally ignored by the internet.

Well then they're obviously not that important... duh!

 

[Spectre]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
No but back mounted tanks are.

Not correct.

"As to side mount configuration, bear in mind there is a DIR way to do it, which I'll discuss later, but the important idea to recognize is that side mounting adds an added complexity to the dive, which is only to be done when necessary."

http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=195516&#post195516

 

[Spectre]

FreeFloat once bubbled...
simply lead by example, and I will make up my own mind that "my way" or "your way" is more efficient, safe, or fun.

Once you leave the internet, you will find this to be the norm...

 

[doole]

Dan Gibson said...
This thread alone implies that any thread started by a non DIR diver about DIR will end in a flame war.

This actually made me laugh out loud.

Any thread started by a non DIR diver about DIR DOES end in a flame war, as everybody here very well knows.

 

[cornfed]

d33ps1x once bubbled...
Doesn't this get tiring?

Not really. The most annoying thing, for me anyway, is the extra noise created by people who aren't interested in the "discussion".