Whats wrong with DIR

[detroit diver]

doole once bubbled...


This actually made me laugh out loud.

Any thread started by a non DIR diver about DIR DOES end in a flame war, as everybody here very well knows.

Actually, if it's a legitimate question about the system by someone without an agenda, it is usually answered quickly and without animosity.

If the intention is like the question in this thread, then you get what you bait for.

 

[cornfed]

chrpai once bubbled...
So far the closest thing I've heard (paraphrasing) is that the message could be clearer. ( IE its not about the gear.) but that is as much as an audience problem as a presentation problem. ( Since it does take 2 to communicate.)

Why is it an audience problem?

Then of course there is our wonderful regulator Spectre who thinks its just perfect the way it is.

And this helps because... ??

So I'm still waiting to hear from a DIR advocate what they think could be improved without all the chatter from the otherside please.

I'm waiting to hear why you're interested.

 

[Spectre]

cornfed once bubbled...
I'm waiting to hear why you're interested.

That's easy if you rephrase the question...

"I keep trying to bash on DIR, but every time I think I have something to complain about, I find out I'm wrong. So would all the DIR divers out there tell me what is wrong with the system so I can bash it with 'real complaints'"

 

[Don Burke]

MikeFerrara once bubbled... No but back mounted tanks are.

Not correct. You've fallen victim to DIR commandos who only know a small portion of the system.

MikeFerrara once bubbled... That's my point.

Perhaps, but I think it is based on misinformation and you'll find it to be a blind alley.

MikeFerrara once bubbled... Those caves (and others around the world) are being explored. Check out NEST (for example). They are an NSS project I think so you can get info.

I've looked into NEST. Their techniques are much like the DIR guys and gals in Europe are using.

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
Like I said. These divers have methods and procedures that work in the environments they dive. They're just not on the internet tooting their own horn. It's not DIR and DIR hasn't incorporated the methods. Rather they've just decided to stay out of those environments.

You are confusing DIR with WKPP. While they are related, they are not in lockstep. That's why I referred you to the projects in Europe. DIR has considerably more flex in it than the DIR commandos know of.

MikeFerrara once bubbled... I'll admit that the techniques used to explor those environments are not as applicable accross the board to most divers as DIR. As far as exploration though they're ignoring most of the worlds caves.

Again, the WKPP is not all there is to DIR.

MikeFerrara once bubbled... Is Wakulla more importand from a research standpoint or is it just bigger, prettier, warmer with better vis and long enough and deep enough to get a worlds record in?

Actually, I think it is just what the people on that project are willing to bite off. I was at a talk by JJ and he said it is a massive project that has many side projects. The fact that many other organizations have failed to safely explore it gives a very focused operation a leg up on gaining access. The need for scooters and rebreathers gives the gearheads more of an advantage. I'm pretty sure I would stay focused on a single project if I was in Trey's (and now Casey's) position.

MikeFerrara once bubbled... I wouldn't have brought any of this up except you made this statement...

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If someone comes up with a better way to do something, it will end up being the DIR way in very short order, so improvements are getting pretty hard to come by.
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Better ways to do some things have been around since the very beginning (the CDG for instance). DIR has not incorporated them but rather decided not to do those things.

That's why I referred you to the projects in Europe. Not all of the flexibility in DIR is revealed by WKPP.

 

[DIR]

detroit diver once bubbled...


Actually, if it's a legitimate question about the system by someone without an agenda, it is usually answered quickly and without animosity.

Can you give us a link to an example of a legitimate question about they system?

 

[Spectre]

DIR once bubbled...


Can you give us a link to an example of a legitimate question about they system?

http://www.scubaboard.com/t40678/s.html

But of course we had to remove your post in that.

 

[detroit diver]

DIR once bubbled...


Can you give us a link to an example of a legitimate question about they system?

I'm not going to search for it now, but in the past there have been some really good questions about standardized gasses, equipment, and other things actually related to DIR.

It's seems like more recently, only those like Painter and Cincy who wish to bash and inflame are posting DIR questions.

I'm happy to answer as fully as I can (or get the info from a GUE instructor) when the question is fair and honest.

 

[doole]

DIR once bubbled...


Can you give us a link to an example of a legitimate question about they system?

Not possible unless you can tell us who wants to be the judge of what constitutes legitimacy, and what their agenda is.

 

[Don Burke]

DIR once bubbled... Can you give us a link to an example of a legitimate question about they system?

Here is a pretty good one:

http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5636&highlight=dir

 

[chrpai]

OK so far the only two "legitimate" questions you guys have offered up is:


"What is DIR?"


To which simplistic answers are given.


Any further questioning of the system is deemed illegitmate.