Whats wrong with DIR

[chickdiver]

Mike,

You can build a "DIR" style sidemount harness. I did it (as have several others). Its extremely simple- you attache the webbing directly to the wing via grommets and bolts. You put a D ring on each side of the waist strap to facilitate attaching bottles, and use some peices of shockcord to help stabilize the bottles. Lights, etx go in the same place as always (this works best with the smaller canister like the Helios 9). You can also scooter and carry stages.

 

[MHK]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...


That's not true. I said it requires back mount. Try to do this without fabrications will you? Have you ever seen DIR sidemount? I haven't. Have you seen it documented in any of the GUE texts? training programs? Me neither. MHK did say there was such a thing but that's the only evidence I've ever found that it exists. Maybe it's been measured against other sidemount systems. I'd be interested in hearing about that too.


I'm thinking the same thing

Mike,

I have very limited experience with side mount configurations. While I do cave dive, the fact is that I live 3,000 miles away from cave country so I don't get to do it as often as I would like.. My limited experience with side mounting was when I did the A&E show about cave exploration. Just before I left for the shoot, like the day before, I was told that Buddy Quattelbom insisted that we side-mount. Upon hearing this I called JJ and George Irvine to get quickly brought up to speed on the DIR side-mount protocols.

Ideally, one need only side-mount when required by restrictions to do so. In the show that we did I never ever came close to seeing a need for side-mounting, but by then it was too late. I'm by no means a side-mount expert and perhaps I'll see if JJ can jump in and better explain it then I can. Or I know Chickdiver is on this list and she may have more experience then I do in this regard.

In the alternative you could always e-mail Jarrod at JJ@gue.com and I'm confident he'll respond to direct inquires and he normally has no problem if you post his replies..

Sorry I couldn't be more help, but I just don't dive that way often enough to provide information I'd be comfortable posting..

Regards

 

[kwesler]

I wrote a wonderful, philosophical, reply that answered all questions, calmed everyone down, lions were sleeping with lambs, Democrats were canoodling with Republicans etc.

Lost it!

Oh ****!

Ken

 

[MHK]

Genesis once bubbled...
of the GUE "standards" permits revocation of GUE membership.

All GUE Members are bound to the standards in that document at all times. It clearly so states in 1.10(5)

You can, according to that document, lose your GUE membership for something as simple as not marking a deco bottle in accordance with their rules, using a steel stage bottle in open water, consuming a single cigarette or diving a set of steel doubles in a wetsuit!

Source: http://www.gue.com/classroom/standards/1/chapter.pdf

THIS is what I object to.

Genesis,

Did it ever occur to you that your objections are of little concern to us any longer??? You are like the boy who cried wolf.. You went on and on endlessly about your problems respecting GUE's position about no-smoking, only to later find out that you don't smoke and it didn't apply to you.. Now you're worried about steel stages and deco bottle markings..

GUE was started and was formed to be an elite training agency that caters to a discriminating diver. It was never intended to be for everyone, it was never intended that everyone would agree with the rigid standards, nor was it ever intended to relax the standards in the hopes of attracting the masses. In fact, JJ specifically doesn't want the masses..

It's clear that GUE isn't for you, it's clear that GUE has many S & P's that you find objectionable, and it's clear that you'll never take a GUE class so my direct question to you is, why do you care what an agency that you'll never take a class from does???

Later

 

[cornfed]

Genesis once bubbled...
of the GUE "standards" permits revocation of GUE membership.

All GUE Members are bound to the standards in that document at all times. It clearly so states in 1.10(5)

You can, according to that document, lose your GUE membership for something as simple as not marking a deco bottle in accordance with their rules, using a steel stage bottle in open water, consuming a single cigarette or diving a set of steel doubles in a wetsuit!

Source: http://www.gue.com/classroom/standards/1/chapter.pdf

THIS is what I object to.

Hardly sounds like they failed to provide you with a list of no-nos now does it?

Don't like it, well don't train with them. Pretty simple if you ask me. Oh, but wait, this is somehow illegal or hinders growth in a free market, right?

 

[kwesler]

Why do you CARE?! You seem aggravated to the point of upsetting yourself over standards you don't agree with or ever plan to meet? So why do you beat on them? Let those who see value in these standards try to meet them!

I have certain standards in my business. If you want to work with me you meet them. PERIOD. If you do not want to meet them, you do not work with me.

Many, MANY of my friends in the same line of work will not work with ME-no problem! We are still friends! But I will NOT lower my standards!

Ken

 

[kwesler]

the posts are crossing!

Ken

 

[Genesis]

It's clear that GUE isn't for you, it's clear that GUE has many S & P's that you find objectionable, and it's clear that you'll never take a GUE class so my direct question to you is, why do you care what an agency that you'll never take a class from does???

Because your postings both here and most particularly elsewhere border on political advocacy and to the extent that GUE's actions, and those of its instructors and members, may impact my ability to dive I have both a right and a duty to be concerned.

Further, as a general principle, I object when someone makes a claim that is either flatly unsupportable or just plain false in advocacy of a position that runs counter to what I believe is good common sense.

I do not care if GUE wants to be some "elite club." It simply doesn't matter. When, however, that "club" seeks to deny me access to diving sites unless I play by their rules, seeks to potentially influence a political process, or seeks to otherwise restrict my freedoms, then I will squawk.

I also reserve the right to comment when I see what I perceive to be BS, just as you do.

What I find interesting is that you and others claim to support anyone's right to dive as they wish, but then in the same breath you and the other apologists claim that commentary on GUE and its programs is "unfair" unless you're a member of "the club."

Which is it Kane? Is the freedom for all - or only for you and your elite friends?

 

[MHK]

Does anyone have the secret Genesis decoder ring???

Does anyone have a clue what he is talking about??? If so, PM me and explain it because it's lost on me..

I had no idea that I was a political advocate that may impact the right of a diver living in Florida and because of my "political advocacy" he may be governmentally forced to dive DIR..

Please someone, anyone, I'll even take Painter at this point, but can anyone figure out what the hell he is talking about???

Later

Genesis once bubbled...


Because your postings both here and most particularly elsewhere border on political advocacy and to the extent that GUE's actions, and those of its instructors and members, may impact my ability to dive I have both a right and a duty to be concerned.

Further, as a general principle, I object when someone makes a claim that is either flatly unsupportable or just plain false in advocacy of a position that runs counter to what I believe is good common sense.

I do not care if GUE wants to be some "elite club." It simply doesn't matter. When, however, that "club" seeks to deny me access to diving sites unless I play by their rules, seeks to potentially influence a political process, or seeks to otherwise restrict my freedoms, then I will squawk.

I also reserve the right to comment when I see what I perceive to be BS, just as you do.

What I find interesting is that you and others claim to support anyone's right to dive as they wish, but then in the same breath you and the other apologists claim that commentary on GUE and its programs is "unfair" unless you're a member of "the club."

Which is it Kane? Is the freedom for all - or only for you and your elite friends?

 

[cornfed]

Genesis once bubbled...
Because your postings both here and most particularly elsewhere border on political advocacy and to the extent that GUE's actions, and those of its instructors and members, may impact my ability to dive I have both a right and a duty to be concerned.

To what extent do you see GUE's actions and those of its members impacting your ability to dive?