Visa on arrival?

[GF99/99]

Discussing this argument in a language different than mine is pretty difficult… but..
Before covid the tourism gdp in Indonesia weight 5% of the total.. saying that isn’t that much is disrespectful… because gdp isn’t all.. they are numbers.. but under those numbers there is people.. families… Before covid there where almost 13 millions of people regularly employed in the tourism industry.. many of them put rice on the table.. we refers to bali because is the main tourism hot spot in Indonesia.. but there are many others… like in my country there is Venice.. Florence.. Rome.. the Dolomites mountains… but if you look at the gdp also italy is a lot more than tourism… but for who live from turism It’s all!
For me, travel around Indonesia is small dive resorts.. homestays.. warungs.. nothing very luxury… limiting the number of tourists or improve the “quality” of them by an expensive(for me) visa, affect most those small business.. who you think can be more affected? Not the Bulgari five star resort…
i agree that bali in some parts was a real zoo… but it was like that for the cheap or free visa? I don’t think so…
I’m happy that the bule’s bintang drinkers are still there and party…

I think what is disrespectful is expecting one thing for your self to have a red carpet entrance into Indonesia meanwhile why don't you check and see how much money and hoops and Indonesia citizen has to jump through to visit Italy.

Its a two way street and it goes both ways. And in reality it is actually vey very easy and cheep for you to visit Indonesia right now compared to what it would take an Indonesia Citizen to visit Italy.

 

[Luko]

but under those numbers there is people.. families… Before covid there where almost 13 millions of people regularly employed in the tourism industry.. many of them put rice on the table.. we refers to bali because is the main tourism hot spot in Indonesia.. but there are many others… like in my country there is Venice.. Florence.. Rome.. the Dolomites mountains… but if you look at the gdp also italy is a lot more than tourism… but for who live from turism It’s all!

Absolutely true.

I find this statement a tad disrespectful "... they have realized how nice Bali is over the last 2 years. And having spent about 10 months of 2020 and 5 months of 2021 in Indonesia I can also say Bali is soooooooooo much nicer now then pre-covid." Who are you talking about, probably not the people in Bali I know for 10 years or more.
Enjoying Bali quite empty might be fine for any bule who can live on the beast for months, however it is not really what my diveguide or tourism employed friends say in Tulamben for instance (why am I sending them money ?).

I have visited Bali in 2000 when there was absolutely noone because of terror threat and bombing, Candi Dasa was almost a ghost town. I was offered to pay 50USD for 2 days diving 3 dives a day equipment included. I dont think it was the best of their lives for balinese people even though I had the island almost for myself.

 

[Luko]

I think what is disrespectful is expecting one thing for your self to have a red carpet entrance into Indonesia meanwhile why don't you check and see how much money and hoops and Indonesia citizen has to jump through to visit Italy.

Its a two way street and it goes both ways. And in reality it is actually vey very easy and cheep for you to visit Indonesia right now compared to what it would take an Indonesia Citizen to visit Italy.

Is that the Italy/European board?
Can you pls enlight me on what this comparison to Italy has to do with a significant fraction of the people in Bali waiting for the tourists to come and pay for their services? (Bartenders working in Kuta or Sanur excepted if I read you)

I don't see any "two way street" or reciprocity that says that for every european tourist coming to Bali there should be an indonesian sitting under the Eiffel tower. Where is that coming from?????

 

[GF99/99]

Absolutely true.

I find this statement a tad disrespectful "... they have realized how nice Bali is over the last 2 years. And having spent about 10 months of 2020 and 5 months of 2021 in Indonesia I can also say Bali is soooooooooo much nicer now then pre-covid." Who are you talking about, probably not the people in Bali I know for 10 years or more.
Enjoying Bali quite empty might be fine for any bule who can live on the beast for months, however it is not really what my diveguide or tourism employed friends say in Tulamben for instance (why am I sending them money ?).

I have visited Bali in 2000 when there was absolutely noone because of terror threat and bombing, Candi Dasa was almost a ghost town. I was offered to pay 50USD for 2 days diving 3 dives a day equipment included. I dont think it was the best of their lives for balinese people even though I had the island almost for myself.

I see your from France. So why does France not just open there boarder for free VOA to anyone???

Also why are not putting your money where your mouth is and not visiting Indonesia. If your going to talk about how the country of Indonesia is suffering so much because tourist are not they then go. It is open. Or is it just because now you have to fill out an on line form and pay some money. This is still 10 times easier then what and Indonesia has to do to visit France.

Please visit Indonesia and support them. Don't just mock what I am saying while your not even doing anything about it.

 

[Luko]

Also why are not putting your money where your mouth is and not visiting Indonesia.

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however it is not really what my diveguide or tourism employed friends say in Tulamben for instance (why am I sending them money ?)

Just sayin' you should read me before typing .

 

[GF99/99]

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Just sayin' you should read me before typing .

 

[Centrals]

Quality tourist?
Remind me of Bhutan which I have never been for only one reason: not the cost but matter of principal.
Quality does not mean deep pocket.

 

[Blackcrusader]

It is clearly stated all over the place that quarantine hotels have to be approved government quarantine hotels. Its pretty simple to figure out, 30 second google search will give you all the info you need. Also by "select few" do you mean 129 different hotels, I would not really call that a few. And 64 of those are in Bali.

They even have a really basic flow chart that a 5 year old could follow on every step with link to the approved hotels. Bali Airport Information like seriously it does not get any more simple than this.

For some travelers the list of approved hotels changed from when they booked to when they arrived. A new list on 22 February again.

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[Centrals]

There are more than 6 hotels for quarantine in Bali.
I would rather stay in-room quarantine hotels than any one of those 6 bubble hotels. Why would I want to rub my shoulder with the fellow lodgers(high risk) who are also under quarantine?

 

[Cert1967]

There are more than 6 hotels for quarantine in Bali.
I would rather stay in-room quarantine hotels than any one of those 6 bubble hotels. Why would I want to rub my shoulder with the fellow lodgers(high risk) who are also under quarantine?

High-risk fellow lodgers who are

• Foreign nationals must be fully vaccinated before entering Indonesia
• <>the foreign traveler must present a PCR test result stating that they are free of COVID-19

Out in the wild you are going to do better?