Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[MASS-Diver]

I think that the 7' hose can be (is) an advantage for any diver who is trained to use it (self training counts). I do know that it can be to no advantage over a shorter hose in some dive profiles, and it can be a hazzard (like any piece of equipment) to those who do not know how, or can't, use it properly.

I'm still not sure of your postion. I think it's a given in this thread that if you are going to use a long hose, you need to practice and be trained - they really aren't that hard to manage and most people get good with them pretty fast.

Given any air sharing situation, wouldn't a long hose be optimal? Consider the alternatives. Even if you go OOA in 20' of water - it's still nice to have the best rig possible for sharing air. Going OOA at any depth is a big deal.

 

[MASS-Diver]

I don't think that at any point on this forum you have given a single straight answer about anything concerning diving. Do you even dive?

LOL - I asked a page for one sentence on why rec divers should not use a long hose....no answer....

 

[Jason B]

all this talk about saving an ooa diver , and not one post about" how not to run out of gas"

You don't know when to quit do you. I'm telling you, those 27 years you keep harping on are going to end if you don't sharpen up some. The whole gas management issue has been hashed out in this very thread. There were even a few that told how to calculate rock bottom. Everything you thew out in that portion of the thread was pure bull and you got called on it several times and would never respond (like always). I'm still laughing about the thirds calc....that was funny.
Don't go away mad....just go away.

Jason

 

[OE2X]

I think that the 7' hose can be (is) an advantage for any diver who is trained to use it (self training counts). ---and it can be a hazzard (like any piece of equipment) to those who do not know how, or can't, use it properly.

Nicely stated.

 

[ABQ]

MASS-Diver,

Well, in open water I want an OOA diver close to me, enough for me to hold onto, or especially, if I'm the OOA diver; anyway the dive is over, up we go. The whole purpose of the 7' cave secondary hose is to REACH the OOA diver who is either behind, in front, or too off to the side, etc.

 

[Jason B]

MASS-Diver,

Well, in open water I want an OOA diver close to me, enough for me to hold onto, or especially, if I'm the OOA diver; anyway the dive is over, up we go. The whole purpose of the 7' cave secondary hose is to REACH the OOA diver who is either behind, in front, or too off to the side, etc.

Why do you (an instructor) feel the need to be held during an OOA situation. What makes you comfortable in a cave in that situation but insecure in an OW situation? Just curious.

Jason

 

[OE2X]

MASS-Diver,

Well, in open water I want an OOA diver close to me, enough for me to hold onto, or especially, if I'm the OOA diver; anyway the dive is over, up we go. The whole purpose of the 7' cave secondary hose is to REACH the OOA diver who is either behind, in front, or too off to the side, etc.

Where the extra length becomes an advantage is if you have to swim side by side in current to get to an anchor line. It may very well be in both divers best interest to continue to swim underwater for a short time before making their ascent. This can only be determined during the dive. Another time that I see a distinct advantage is when you have to blow a bag before surfacing. Having a bit of extra distance between the divers would be a big advantage.

 

[novadiver]

I'm serious, I would really like to hear what you breathe on non-overhead dives and why you do it that way.

rec solo dive. single apeks reg with spg, inflater hose, 22in primary,pony with mares mr12 , button spg.

Deep solo deco , twin apeks hog rig, tech set up with 24 in primary and 22 inch back up, deco with oms deco reg and DR spg

rec team dive single tank, short hoses all around.

deep team with possible penatration, Hog rig with long hose.

overhead, hog rig with long hose.


I've never seen an ooa diver shake off a short hose. and die because they wanted a longer hose

and if one of my regs blew up , I'd go to another because that's the way I was trained

 

[ABQ]

Why do you (an instructor) feel the need to be held during an OOA situation. What makes you comfortable in a cave in that situation but insecure in an OW situation? Just curious.

Jason

Hold onto is not the same as being held. An OOA diver becomes one with his buddy; I want eye contact; I want total control over the air that goes into my mouth; I want total control over our ascent. So does my buddy.

To be honest, real honest, going OOA deep in a cave is as dangerous as it gets; I don't go OOA there, it has never happened to me.

 

[JeffG]

Deep solo deco , twin apeks hog rig, tech set up with 24 in primary and 22 inch back up, deco with oms deco reg and DR spg

Do you put your primary on the left post and your backup on the right???

I'm just trying to picture how this is setup?


edit: Or is the primary 24" on the right post, and goes under the arm and to the mouth?