No way never on the regs freezing and freeflowing or no way never on being able to tell after the gear was in the water that long? Or no way never on both. An I am asking because I don't know. Turn the heat down.
Two fatalities in Monterey
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No way never on the regs freezing and freeflowing or no way never on being able to tell after the gear was in the water that long? Or no way never on both. An I am asking because I don't know. Turn the heat down.
fisheater
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Never THAT cold.
Freezing regs simply isn't an issue in Monterey.
Freezing regs simply isn't an issue in Monterey.
Scott L
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fisheater
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Not sure what you mean.
We have tried to explain that diving here is simply different than diving in warm, clear water locations. There, commercial dive boats typically have a DM in the water, leading the divers around on a "tour." On the boat, the DM sets up the divers' gear, too. (At least that's what I've seen on warm water vacation trips.)
Here, commercial dive boats have DMs that stay on board. They don't lead divers on a tour. They don't set up divers' gear. They assist divers on and off of the boat (as we have a lot lead and exposure protection on). They stand by, ready to enter the water and give aid should a diver reach the surface in trouble. They give a detailed dive site briefing before the dive and count the divers back on board after the dive.
The dive itself is solely the responsibility of the divers. They need to "plan their dive and dive their plan."
That's the way it's taught in California. That's what is expected in California.
Hence, many of us often advise visiting divers who don't have cold water, low vis experience to hire a private DM to dive with them, at least for their first day.
These divers were certified here. They appear to have had at least two prior dives in Monterey. There's no reason to think that they gave any sign that they needed to have a DM watching their SPGs on that dive.
Scott L
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Challenging area, which according to you, can be quickly mastered with just two dives. Rather contridictory I would say...
cool_hardware52
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I have read nearly every word I can find on the internet with regards to these boys.
I do not know the boy's OW certification date. Are Sophomores allowed in this Oceanography class?
What dates were their "dives" at Lake Tahoe? How many post cert scuba dives did they make before going to Monterey?
Did everyone on the "class trip" make the "evening" dive?
fisheater
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No. I didn't say that it "can be quickly mastered with just two dives." You did.
From available information, these divers were certified in California (or the Nevada side) in Lake Tahoe. Tahoe is clear, but it's also cold. So the same amount of thermal protection and hence, weighting, is needed.
That's a minimum of four dives where they had to learn to look at their SPGs. They reportedly did many more dives in Lake Tahoe after that. That's many more dives where they had to look at their SPGs.
Then, they had AT LEAST two dives in Monterey, where low vis was added to the cold water to which they were already trained and had experienced. Again, they had to look at their SPGs.
NONE of this is leading to any reasonable assumption that they failure to monitor their air supply had anything to do with lack of supervision.
California divers simply don't expect and won't rely upon having a dive professional in the water with them to monitor their air supply.
No one will ever know why they ignored their training and experience and allowed both of their tanks to run out.
Scott L
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I agree. Good point...
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That is perhaps the only truth....
Could there have been rays or marine mammels at that Monterey dive site?
halemanō;5857581:Once, while solo diving ~3000' off shore, I chased a spotted eagle ray at ~80 fsw. After medium hard chasing for probably 2 minutes, I put on a burst of speed.
....
Damn glad that happened at 1000 psi and not 700 psi!
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ad...8-panic-experienced-diver-13.html#post5856415
And if you had been reading Oahu's main newspaper since this Monterey tragedy...
Could there have been a "split tail" to chase?
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I'm making no accusations, but I can tell you that my best friend at that age (Mike, from above) and I were kicked out of many swimming pools because when we "played" in the shallow end, lifeguards thought one of us might die. We've both held each other underwater until "bubbles" came out, and we both used that illegal for cops to use choke hold on each other; him once until I passed out (luckily not in a pool).
Damn glad we never fought over a girl!
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