Two fatalities in Monterey

[VooDooGasMan]

Hale, they were on an oceanography class dive, The oceanography class will get you certified during class, The boys were juniors and got certified. They dove after cert in Tahoe, although new to diving, Steven just got a dive watch, and Knife, and all he could talk about was the trip, is what his sister said. From what the sister said, the mother was brave, as she wanted her daughter to get Keegan's parents number, and told her they got separated from group and nothing to worry about. A little over a half an hour Stevens mom called her daughter and said they were doing CPR and going to hospital. Mom called back and told her they were gone.

The sister was real close as were the whole family, The thing that got me was the sister came home early from collage and they had a early easter egg hunt, and she came home early to see Steven before his dive trip.

Steven and Keegan were best of friends, all they ate was "shells and Cheese" Stevens sister said she will miss that smell when she comes home and walks in the house.

Lamont I agree with you.

There is only wonder in what happen, the gear was fine, they had a little dive experience. this morning I thought of being narced, at the 80' to 90' and young. I dove way deeper and was younger and got Wacked out of it, yet everyones different.

They did have Divemasters in the water for an oceanography class, but to what degree were they is undetermined. Although they prep for safety, it did not turn out so well. I'll leave it at that.


Steven and Keegan were very likeable and enjoyed life to the fullest. The other students that witnessed this first hand will be cautious divers, or never dive again, it depends on how they take it, Steven and Keegan played pranks on others in all good and fun, I wish this was a prank.








Happy Diving

 

[NorCalDM]

Lake Tahoe is not Hawaii

Tobin

Lake Tahoe is not Monterey either about the only thing they have in common is cold water. Sorry for the loss.

 

[cool_hardware52]

Lake Tahoe is not Monterey either about the only thing they have in common is cold water. Sorry for the loss.

Humm,

Context matters.

I never suggested that Tahoe = Monterey

I was speculating that unlike Hawaii, I would expect that few would drive from Reno to Tahoe to go skin diving as implied by halemeno.

Tobin

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

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If I'd told my parents; "When we were at Yellowstone's Madison river on my 20th B-day, below Fire Hole lake, we made 5 awesome dives" they just might have repeated it, nearly word for word, without really knowing...

And they knew Mike and Kevin were both there with me, but only Mike is we in that sentence; not Kevin...

 

[Scott L]

Hale, they were on an oceanography class dive, The oceanography class will get you certified during class, The boys were juniors and got certified. They dove after cert in Tahoe, although new to diving, Steven just got a dive watch, and Knife, and all he could talk about was the trip, is what his sister said. From what the sister said, the mother was brave, as she wanted her daughter to get Keegan's parents number, and told her they got separated from group and nothing to worry about. A little over a half an hour Stevens mom called her daughter and said they were doing CPR and going to hospital. Mom called back and told her they were gone.

The sister was real close as were the whole family, The thing that got me was the sister came home early from collage and they had a early easter egg hunt, and she came home early to see Steven before his dive trip.

Steven and Keegan were best of friends, all they ate was "shells and Cheese" Stevens sister said she will miss that smell when she comes home and walks in the house.

Lamont I agree with you.

There is only wonder in what happen, the gear was fine, they had a little dive experience. this morning I thought of being narced, at the 80' to 90' and young. I dove way deeper and was younger and got Wacked out of it, yet everyones different.

They did have Divemasters in the water for an oceanography class, but to what degree were they is undetermined. Although they prep for safety, it did not turn out so well. I'll leave it at that.


Steven and Keegan were very likeable and enjoyed life to the fullest. The other students that witnessed this first hand will be cautious divers, or never dive again, it depends on how they take it, Steven and Keegan played pranks on others in all good and fun, I wish this was a prank.








Happy Diving

What a terriable loss. In summation, if the conditions where not condusive to proper supervision for inexperienced young divers, then the trip should not have been planned or excecuted.

 

[cool_hardware52]

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If I'd told my parents; "When we were at Yellowstone's Madison river on my 20th B-day, below Fire Hole lake, we made 5 awesome dives" they just might have repeated it, nearly word for word, without really knowing...

You *might* be right.

The parents of these two boys *might* have no idea what their teenage sons were up to. No discussion around the dinner table, no pile "o" wetsuits, no CC charges for scuba gear rentals and tank fills.

The boys, who had recently completed a scuba course *might* have been driving ~1 hour + each way to jump off rocks into a cold Lake Tahoe.

The boys, who recently completed a scuba course *might* have been going to a cold, late winter / early spring Lake Tahoe to go skin diving, not scuba diving.

There *might* also be life on Mars.

Tobin

 

[fisheater]

What a terriable loss. In summation, if the conditions where not condusive to proper supervision for inexperienced young divers, then the trip should not have been planned or excecuted.

What supervision are you expecting?

The boys were certified divers. They were diving within their certifications, off a commercial dive boat with a DM and several adults.

If you mean to say that certified divers should not dive unless a DM or instructor is in the water with them and has them in sight, then no one would be allowed to dive in California. We're not Florida. We just don't have such conditions.

As we so often say, certified divers are primarily responsible for their own safety. They were certified divers. Thus, they were primarily responsible for their own safety. No one else had a duty to check their air supply during their dive.



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[Scott L]

What supervision are you expecting?

The boys were certified divers. They were diving within their certifications, off a commercial dive boat with a DM and several adults.

If you mean to say that certified divers should not dive unless a DM or instructor is in the water with them and has them in sight, then no one would be allowed to dive in California. We're not Florida. We just don't have such conditions.

As we so often say, certified divers are primarily responsible for their own safety. They were certified divers. Thus, they were primarily responsible for their own safety. No one else had a duty to check their air supply during their dive.



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Certified? They are 16 years old. If they were at a school dance nearly every action they take would be monitored by observers. Throw them in the Pacific Ocean with very little experience? No problem. At some point common sence should prevail.

 

[ItsBruce]

What a terriable loss. In summation, if the conditions where not condusive to proper supervision for inexperienced young divers, then the trip should not have been planned or excecuted.

That is like blaming the parents for letting their sons get certified in the first place.

What, by the way, is "proper supervision"? What do you consider constitutes "proper supervision of inexperienced young divers"? Is there a difference between "inexperienced young divers" and "inexperienced middle-aged divers" and the supervision they require?

Or does this just get back to the premise that divers are not receiving adequate training in the first instance?

And, now hat we are talking about proper training ... Who here practiced removing and clearing their mask on their last dive? How about at least once on their last 5 dives?

 

[ItsBruce]

Certified? They are 16 years old. If they were at a school dance nearly every action they take would be monitored by observers. Throw them in the Pacific Ocean with very little experience? No problem. At some point common sence should prevail.

No one supervises them when they drive around in cars. If a teen driver crashes while driving, no one says that there should have been adult supervision of "inexperienced young drivers".