Two fatalities in Monterey

[openmindOW]

The students were, apparently, NAUI certified. (Someone please corrrect this information if it is wrong.)

How many OW training dives does NAUI require?

 

[Jeff F]

Newest info, Investagation compleat.
Diving death investigation completed | NevadaAppeal.com

I have been following this as I live not far from Carson City.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

The students were, apparently, NAUI certified. (Someone please corrrect this information if it is wrong.)

How many OW training dives does NAUI require?

NAUI requires five checkout dives ... one of which may, at the discretion of the instructor, be a skin diving dive.

To keep the record straight, it has also been stated by a parent of one of the other boys on this trip that knew the two victims that the boys had been certified long enough to have been diving in Lake Tahoe "many times" prior to this trip. In other words, this was not a class.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[ItsBruce]

There is a phenomenon known as "confirmation bias," which is sometimes called "tunnel vision." No one really knows what causes or triggers it. And those suffering from it are unaware of it. Even when someone points it out, they deny it. However, victims see only evidence which supports their predispositions and overlook anything that would conflict with those predispositions.

I am watching examples of confirmation bias on this thread: No matter what the evidence may be of the young mens' training or experience or what evidence there is about DMs roles in non-class dives in California or what evidence there is about how close divers must be to even see each other and thus be supervised, some people are going to conclude that what happened here was because of improper training or supervision.

Many of these same people may believe the Earth is flat, man has not landed on the Moon or that income tax is unconstitutional; and nothing will cause them to change their minds.

Accept this because that is just the way it is. Politely nod and thank them for their insight.

 

[Shasta_man]

Hmmm...looked at this thread multiple pages ago and the messages said the same thing...

 

[cruiser]

One positive observation I have come to from this accident is that the 2 boys did one thing right - they stayed as a buddy pair and presumably one tried to help the other but tragically they both died. How may accidents happen where the report is "one didn't surface" or "one became separated from the group". These boys, although young & probably inexperienced, stayed together.

I'm not sure I agree with your positive observation that buddy diving means "die-ing together." If 2 divers died because they stayed together as a buddy pair, was it really the right thing to do? At least when "one didn't surface" or "one became separated from the group" there is a survivor.

Perhaps I've misunderstood your post?

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

Here in Hawai'i, the vast majority of parents who would and could say "my son goes diving every weekend" are not the parents of certified divers and are not speaking of scuba diving.

Until someone verifies the kids OW cert dates I am not sure how long they have been certified divers and how many dives these kids had done prior to the dive they died during may never be known, unless there were others who will tell us they were also on all their post cert dives.

 

[cool_hardware52]

Here in Hawai'i, the vast majority of parents who would and could say "my son goes diving every weekend" are not the parents of certified divers and are not speaking of scuba diving.

Lake Tahoe is not Hawaii

Tobin

 

[Chuck Tribolet]

Teen divers' gear didn't fail in scuba accident deaths - MontereyHerald.com :

Note that this is copyrighted material, so please don't post the text
here. Let the paper get the ad revenue.

 

[Blue Sparkle]

Teen divers' gear didn't fail in scuba accident deaths - MontereyHerald.com :

Note that this is copyrighted material, so please don't post the text
here. Let the paper get the ad revenue.

Maybe I should start a separate thread, but I have been wondering about this. Basically, I agree with you, and so I have always posted links to newspaper articles, with maybe at most the first sentence or two as an "intro." I figured anything else was somewhat unethical.

But.... I've read a number of older threads wherein the newspaper article links are long dead. This often renders the thread discussion somewhat meaningless -- and sometimes the information is gone forever. That's disappointing when I would like to have learned something from SB members' contributions and experience. I don't know what the answer is, but I have begun to have more understanding of why people paste whole articles into A & I threads.