I have never asked about the qualifications of the other students in any of the advanced courses I have taken. I believe this is between each individual student and the instructor. I can't remember the requirements for starting advanced trimix through TDI, but it would be natural to assume each of the students have met them, are qualified to be there, and thus qualified to dive to the level of training once they have sucessfully completed the class.
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I have never asked about the qualifications of the other students in any of the advanced courses I have taken. I believe this is between each individual student and the instructor. I can't remember the requirements for starting advanced trimix through TDI, but it would be natural to assume each of the students have met them, are qualified to be there, and thus qualified to dive to the level of training once they have sucessfully completed the class.
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I can understand that this is the instructor's responsibility during the class ... but then your life is the instructor's responsibility during the class.
After the class, that's another story. Completing a class or having a card may "qualify" someone to make a dive, but not to do a dive as my buddy ... no sir, no way. Takes more than a card. Similarly I'd not expect anyone to make a dive with me on that basis.
Agreed. But my experience has been, that generally at the end of a course you either have developed a level of comfort with the other students or identified those to stay away from. Those that you have identified as good divers based on their skills in the class would be at the same level training wise and I can see how one would feel a level of comfort to continue diving with them. I did my advanced trimix in San Diego. Four students in the class. One didn't pass, and the other three I would dive anywhere with. I have gotten to know them better since the class, but at the time I didn't ask them for their log books. I could see how they performed in the water, under stress, task loaded, their understanding of decompression theory, level of fitness and anything else that may concern me.
PerroneFord
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In the class your instructor has an obligation to do his best to maintain as safe an environment for you the student as can be, on the actual dives you are soley responsible for your well being and life.
My focus has always been on the quality of the instructor. I let him worry about the other students. The type of instuctors I desire are going to be choosey about their students.
I would agree with this in general. The divers I took all my technical courses with too date I have not pulled each aside and questioned them in detail as to the previous experience to acces them to meet my standards....I have observed their actions in class and in the water---some were better than others. But I have also noted as you get into the advanced levels of tech. training of which Adv. Trimix is def. in that category,,the tech students whom are at that level in most cases have proven themselves in prior diving and completed courses. Not to say a bad-apple can and does slip the instructors pre-screening.
PerroneFord
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My focus is on the quality of the class. And that includes the instructor, the material, and the participants. Unless all three are working, the class is not going to be optimal.
And let's not fool ourselves. Even choosy instructors are going to get the occasional "hard case" student. I have access to some of the best instructors in the country, but I've still seen some wacky students show up.
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There we part company. It is my opinion that having a student die during training is prima facia evidence of negligence. Let's not get too far off topic, if you want to pursue it please start a new thread.
JeffG
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Perhaps you two are having a mild miss-communication issue and actually agree.
"Actual dives" I believe mean post certification dives...not certification dives.
Thats how I read it anyways.
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