Tec computer with Trimix and A.I., is Suunto HelO2 the cheapest option?

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That is truly ridiculous and totally unacceptable in a trimix computer. Why the heck would anyone buy one? :shakehead:

A Shearwater will keep giving a Best Guess as to what to do no matter how much you abuse it.

If you violate the ceiling for 3 minutes, you're probably bent anyways...no amount of descent or rediving will save you.

I've been messing around with the included software.

A 20 minute dive to 250 ft on 15/55 TMX yields a ceiling of about 60 ft with about 45 minutes of deco.

It's not far from profiles generated with vplanner.
 
That's a pretty bold statement.

Is it not far from the truth? Won't N2 / He start to migrate out of a solution and start forming bubbles?

It coincides with the typical : If you blow a deco obligation, you have 5 minutes to redescend and clear your obligation, extending your last stop by 1.5 times.
 
If you want to run a full implementation of RGBM, the only computer I'm aware of which will do so is the Liquivision Xeo--it's available as an add-on from a third party vendor. Who knows what Suunto's proprietary version of RGBM is? OTOH, why not choose an algorithm more likely to match what your teammates are using, and is available on desktop computers, smart phones, or tablets, i.e., VPM or Buhlmann GF. I agree that at this point you should be reading "Deco for Divers".
I have the LQ Xeo and there are many things I love about it. I love the tap interface. It's like a touch screen IPAD or IPhone.
I can change algorithm easily to match my buddies or because I've decided that I want to run a certain algorithm. I have the RGBM option which I purchased.
It takes minutes or less to change Gradient Factors or anything else before starting a dive. It has a great screen with large, bright figures. It's incredibly easy to learn how to set and switch through the screens. It's potted so that it won't flood. You can recharge batteries and change them in seconds. You can also use cheaper, commercial batteries with only a small loss of better time.
Finally, I love that it also has periodic updates and an alert for the update is sent by email so that I know about it.
There is only one other computer that I would consider and that's the Shearwater Petrel. I think Shearwater's service is known to be somewhat better than LQ's.
I haven't started tech training yet so I'm a newbie when it comes to all that but I can say that you will want a bright, easy to read computer screen, since poor viz and low-light conditions are somewhat common. You also want a computer that YOU control. Locking out because you didn't do what the computer wanted is unacceptable, IMHO.
As you get older, that bright screen becomes even more important. A big reason my husband and I switched is that we needed a brighter screen. My husband switched from an older Suunto with AI but I can't remember which one he had. We do lot of night dives and cold water dives in poor viz and couldn't read the displays of our non-backlit computers with smaller displays. The local lake can have viz down in the zero range at times, especially with students kicking up silt in OW training. On weekends, there are tons of classes going on and the viz in the summer is very poor.
I would strongly recommend that you pick a tech computer with features similar to LQ or Shearwater. Suunto doesn't compare.
AI is fine and I know there are a few cave and tech divers out there using AI, with a backup. You do need to protect the transmitter is overhead diving.
Just make sure you have other features that are useful. Being able to switch algorithms would be something I'd strongly consider.
I am computer and digital watch challenged so ease of use is very important to me.
 
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Is it not far from the truth? Won't N2 / He start to migrate out of a solution and start forming bubbles?

It coincides with the typical : If you blow a deco obligation, you have 5 minutes to redescend and clear your obligation, extending your last stop by 1.5 times.

Why do you think there are so many algorithms? The best example to this statement is VPM FBO, it gets you shallow faster, blowing off the deep portion of the dives, essentially blowing a deco stop in VPM-B. What if you use a more conservative Bhulmann? They have less deep than VPM but more shallow time. Deco plans vary by a HUGE margin depending on the philosophy and aggressiveness of your plan. There is not one "cookie cutter plan" that is right for everyone and every dive

Also using a more aggressive GF will shape your curve differently. Using a more conservative VPM increases the critical radius, shaping the curve differently. There is no "you will get bent if you violate" the SW compensates for what you do. Many times people have used SW with a pre cut table and ignored the stop the computer gave, the SW still worked and cleared about the same time the pre cut plan did even though the SW initially wanted different stops. Take a look at M values, GFs, and bubble critical radius before you start making comments like that.


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I'm told Hollis will be introducing the TX1 - a 6 gas Trimix wrist computer with AI for 6 transmitters it will resemble the VT4.1 with a modified Buhlmann Algorithm- 16 tissue compartments and variable gradient factors. Priced around 699- should hit by end of the month...

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It will be backwards compatible with current hollis/aeris/oceanic transmitters AND newer more sleekly designed ones that are also in production.
 
I've had 2 Hollis computers... Hated them both. I have other Hollis equipment and love that but their computers need some work. The DG03 beeped like crazy if you got anywhere near NDL and didn't show seconds in gauge mode.

The DG05... WAY too conservative, even with the conservitivisam off. Then progressively becoming way too liberal. Plus it uses a proprietary VGM algorithm that is only found on the DG05 and the VR3. There was also some version of ZL-16-C but had no GF adjustability. Also if you violate it ( following your cut plan or if SHTF) it will get you to the surface but will lock out after you get to the surface. The SW will just keep working.

There is a reason Hollis went with SW on the Prism 2...

All that said we'll see if they finally have figured out the problems, but looking at that price I don't think it will be OLED. If they just fix the algorithm that would be great.



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Why do you think there are so many algorithms?

Alright.

But by violating the established "ceiling" on the HelO2, you've have violated the RGBM algorithm. By the algorithm's mathematics, you're bent, so there's no point in having you in the water anymore...hence the semi-permanent error mode. It is to prevent you from getting back in the water and REALLY getting bent.

If you're not going to run RGBM, run the computer in gauge mode and print your own tables.
 
Alright.

But by violating the established "ceiling" on the HelO2, you've have violated the RGBM algorithm. By the algorithm's mathematics, you're bent, so there's no point in having you in the water anymore...hence the semi-permanent error mode. It is to prevent you from getting back in the water and REALLY getting bent.

If you're not going to run RGBM, run the computer in gauge mode and print your own tables.

because an algorithm=a person?

deco doesnt work like that
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/perdix-ai/

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