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Tank failing Visual, shop condemned the tank?

Discussion in 'Tanks, Valves and Bands' started by acarter92, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. soldsoul4foos

    soldsoul4foos ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Wow, so well put! Who could say no to any of that?
     
  2. Ana

    Ana Solo Diver

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    More and more I see that one needs to invest whatever resources are necessary to be "very" knowledgeable about the whats and whys needed and not needed in diving.

    It used to be enough to know that you need annual VIPs and 5 year Hydro's. I'm referring to the US, I'm aware other places have different rules about the frequency of testing.

    But now you need to be aware of every single detail about your tank, down to its molecular level. Some materials are tricky and there's data about them, but it is also necessary to keep up with the sudden change of particular rules that emerge from any potential law suit a shop owner or his lawyer can dream up.

    Gone are the days of "I have a local shop where I take my tanks" (damn you Fill Express) Even when you find a shop that you think is "your go-to shop" there's a need to keep your guard up because out of the blue they'll come up with some weird rule. 90% of the time these rules are camouflaged by safety... "if we can save at least one child" ...but as soon as you scratch the surface what you find is either some one's feelings without any evidence or plain greed.

    X' ing out a tank with a sharpie? it would be funny if it wasn't such a sign of ignorance.
    A real testing facility should consider that bad graffiti and just perform the test, maybe charge you a couple dollars more for the acetone/alcohol.

    Saw cutting the tank for failing VIP? but passing the VIP with rust, contamination, or bad threads ?
    ok, that makes sense... I didn't get the memo but obviously today is opposite day, maybe I need more coffee.
     
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  3. Zieg

    Zieg Solo Diver

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    And flamingos, you can never have too many flamingos.
     
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  4. captain

    captain Captain

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    What everyone gets hung up on are the words hydro test. Qualification or re-qualification is the term used in the CFR. It involves both the hydro-static test and the visual inspection. The hydro-static test is objective, the tank either passes the test or fails it if the test is properly done. The visual inspection is subjective, what one inspector considers sufficient reason to fail the inspection another inspector may not.
    A newly qualified inspector may think every flaw he sees is reason to fail the tank, a more experienced inspector may use judgment acquired over years and may see the same flaws but not consider it sufficient reason to fail the inspection.
     
  5. OkByMe

    OkByMe Solo Diver

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    JUST ONE MORE REASON TO SIMPLY BYPASS THE SHOP AND GO DIRECTLY TO THE HYDRO FACILITY. THEY WILL VIS THE CYLINDER BEFORE TESTING AND IF THERE IS A PROBLEM THEY WILL NOT TEST THE TANK AND CALL YOU.

    THAT IS WHY I HAVE MY OWN COMPRESSOR AND TUMBLER, DO MY OWN VALVE AND CYLINDER MAINTENANCE. I USE THE SHOP FOR HYDRO IN ACCORDANCE WITH DOT REGS. THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER SHOP ONLY STAMPED OUT ONE OF MY 1978 ALUMINUM CYLINDERS AFTER IT PASSED VIS AND FAILED THE TEST. I HAVE BEEN USING THEM FOR OVER 40 YEARS - THE VIS AND HYRO COSTS $28.00. FOR SCUBA AND $54.00 FOR THE LARGER BANK CYLINDERS, OXYGEN, C02 AND HELIUM. THERE ARE NO WAVERS TO SIGN. LDS HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST SINCE THEY MANDATE AN ANNUAL VIS NOT REQUIRED BY DOT- WHICH THEY GLEEFULLY PROVIDE AND SELL CYLINDERS, WHICH THEY ALSO PROVIDE. (OF COURSE I USE THE CO2 FOR WELDING ONLY, HELIUM AND OXYGEN FOR WELDING/CUTTING AND TRIMIX)
     
  6. KWS

    KWS ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    The shop can do this. what they can not do is permanetely mark the tank. Permenately marking is using stamps llke the hydroer to XXX over anything. The sharkie marking has nothing to do with anything to prevent it form being used. find another vis guy and get a second opinion. PSI guys are pretty good at looking for soemthing wrong and a proper inspection will give you the exact reason for condemning recommendation. corrosion over 20% of the tank area etc. In regards to the tank not being used since last cleaning,,, Let me ask,,,,, how do you know the last service was actually done and you were not just charged for vis and cleaning? It happens a lot. Ive seen many 3 minute vis's done by 15 yo's in a mom and pop shop. If any questions PM me and I will send you an inspection form PSI used to perform a vis with ,,so you can see what is involved. No matter what it takes teh customers permission to permanently disable the tank by a vis guy. Its different with a hydro guy. Hydro guys are not allowed to retest in the event of a failure. YOu are allowed to re inspect in event of a VIS inspection. The difference is that one is a passive, non destructive INSPECTION and the other is an active potential destructive TEST.
     
  7. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    IS THE CAPS LOCK KEY STUCK ON YOUR KEYBOARD? I WOULD GET THE KEYBOARD HYDRO’D IMMEDIATELY.
     
  8. broncobowsher

    broncobowsher Solo Diver

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    And fail the monitor by putting a bunch of black XXXs with a sharpie across the screen.
     
  9. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Oh no! Another misused Sharpie....
     
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  10. OkByMe

    OkByMe Solo Diver

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    Using a small on screen keyboard at the time... easier for me to see for I am no touch typist.
     

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