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nova:
I think there is a need for juvenile insults and maybe some reading comprihension. LOL

The point I was making is that solo divers depend on their gear,training and skill , not on a buddy for their safety.


Again, how does that help a solo diver with their strategy or technique?

Isn't arguing the merits of solo diving, in a solo diving forum, kind of like arguing for tax cuts for the rich at a republican convention?

Why not take it to the people in the general discussion area to see what they think?

And, yes, I am bored at work trying to avoid a huge project hanging over my head.
 
So who is arguing what here? I too would like to know what articles 1 and 2 are.

It seems we have a good troll because we are all biting. Has the original poster been back?

As to Mexico-- one team has problems another team - same time , same place - does not have problems. This proves? An one of the surviving group is rescued by -- ahem - someone else? I like the reasoning here. :)

I prefer to dive solo to control my urge to self destruct because I am showing off to a buddy. My TECHNIQUE FOR SOLO DIVING is to lie to my logbook and say I was accompanied by Jessica Alba who chose to be topless fer that particular dive.

Did i stay on topic?????
 
ClevelandDiver:
MikeFerrara:
First of all I don't have much time right now but second that was the third stupidest article I ever read. ........
Mike,

I was rereading this thread (for amusement puposes only, as it offers no insight into actual solo diving), and I noticed it was the THIRD stupidest article you have ever read. I gotz ta know what the 1st and 2nd place winners were and if you have links to them.

I have to go now. I'm late as always but I guessed at it being the third. I knew it wasn't the first. Some were others that have been posted on this site and some were the ones posted on the dangers of buddy diving. Last I checked most were still on their site but I haven't been there in a while.
BTW the way, if I read your posts correctly:

You are not against solo diving.
You do it yourself on occasion.
Your main gripe with this thread is that it uses bad buddy diving examples to promote solo diving as superior to buddy diving.

That's about the size of it.
 
rjchandler:
So who is arguing what here? I too would like to know what articles 1 and 2 are.

It seems we have a good troll because we are all biting. Has the original poster been back?

As to Mexico-- one team has problems another team - same time , same place - does not have problems. This proves? An one of the surviving group is rescued by -- ahem - someone else? I like the reasoning here. :)

I prefer to dive solo to control my urge to self destruct because I am showing off to a buddy. My TECHNIQUE FOR SOLO DIVING is to lie to my logbook and say I was accompanied by Jessica Alba who chose to be topless fer that particular dive.

Did i stay on topic?????


Topless? in Michigan? That you require a serious blubber layer. Which Jessica clearly does not posses.
 
MikeFerrara:
Yes. Yet we cotinue to see posters who seem to come here to "justify" it ot seem to be asking for validation or permission or something.

I agree.

Team diving works as is evident by the many impressive team exploration projects that have gone on around the world. I also know divers who have conducted successful cave surveys at 250 ft solo. I, for one recognize this and after bad experiences with buddies early in my diving, made an effort to learn how to take advantage of diving with others and make it work. Especially since I spent much of my diving carrer trying to teaching others to do it. At the same time I'm not completely apposed to jump in the water by yourself as many are. There are many dives that I'm more than willing to do alone. I have done it and I probably will again but not because I'm afraid of a buddy. My wife would be very disappointed to hear it if I was. LOL I don't dive alone because I'm afraid of buddies and I don't dive with buddies because I'm afraid to dive without them. I do each dive as I want because that's how I want to do it at the time. I do each as safely as I can realizing that the safest thing to do is to stay home. I don't need to convince resorts, PADI, GUE or any one else of anything. I do, however, have a habit of stepping when I think I see divers headed for trouble like when divers read a goofy article like this and not knowing any better say "Yep good point buddies are dangerous" as with the infamouse rodales campaign against buddy diving that proceeded the introduction of the SDI solo course.

Given my preferance and if I can influence less experienced divers I would like to encourage them to get training or somehow learn solid skills and to buddy/team dive well. Then they are, IMO, in the best position to decide what they want to do and how. So many of the buddy diving bashers seem to just be divers who have never learned how. Shoot, how would they know? They need a good class, not their own colum in rodales. It's probably not their fault since the average dive training doesn't really teach it and the resorts with their assign a buddy thing don't at all help. But, hey, you have to take the clients diving and if they show up for a buddy dive without a buddy you do the best you can for them. LOL

On most dives nothing goes wrong. You can drop down, walk around the bottom and climb the rope back up and be just fine without basic dive skills, a buddy or anything else but it doesn't prove a thing. The best way is to have the skills, know the risks and do the best you can to address them and make a decission from an educated position. Even then you might make the wrong decission and get wacked.

And, not to say I told you so or anything but this thread (along with a few others in this forum) are just exactly the kind of stuff I was concerned (and argued) about when this forum was first conceived.

So fine, some divers choose to go solo. Nothing wrong with discussing the when, where and how of it. But...when it becomes a sales pitch to sell divers on it base on the proposition that buddy diving is somehow more dangerous it, IMO, becomes irresponsible.


Mike,

It seems that a few things are obvious from your posts.

1. You don't like the idea of a solo diving forum.

2. You are posting here strictly as a troll to bait solo divers.

3. You are not open to listening to the issues.

I can tell from other posts of yours I have read that you are very knowable about diving. I often read those posts for the many good points you raise. All I ask is that you don't let your personal opinions influence your attitude about those who disagree. You have every right to determine what you consider safe, and right, and proper, but this area, at least I thought, is devoted to allowing those who may disagree with you a place to express their views without your baiting.

If you think this forum will corrupt the judgement of the readers, express that opinion to the owners of the site. If they agree, the forum will go away. But bear in mind, if everyone who disagrees with you is silenced, you my find yourself with limited conversations.

Stan
 
ClevelandDiver:
Your main gripe with this thread is that it uses bad buddy diving examples to promote solo diving as superior to buddy diving.

This is what the article sounded like to me too.

A poorly functioning buddy team is a two way street and a lack of discipline in a buddy team is a skills and training issue. Eliminating the buddy does not eliminate the lack of discipline any more than, for example, extra gear can solve a skills problem.

Choosing to solo dive for a good reason is one thing but talking yourself into it with these kinds of arguments is like voting for the communists because you don't like the conservatives.

R..
 
so Jessica Alba's a topless conservative communist that solo dives because of her poor buddy skills?
 
nova:
so Jessica Alba's a topless conservative communist that solo dives because of her poor buddy skills?


No no no...... She is Chandler's floatation device on solo dives. Which is why he likes to dive solo.
 
nova:
so Jessica Alba's a topless conservative communist that solo dives because of her poor buddy skills?

I think I"m getting old. I had to Google "Jessica Alba".

..... and I don't think I care if she's communist .....


..... and if her Buddy skills are bad ..... I'll teach her myself.

Do you think my wife would object?

R..
 
serambin:
Mike,

It seems that a few things are obvious from your posts.

1. You don't like the idea of a solo diving forum.

I had several concerns about it.
2. You are posting here strictly as a troll to bait solo divers.

Not at all. I've posted on a fairly wide range of threads in this forum. In this case I rebuted an article that sent my BS meter right off the scale. As I said before, I think the article itself as well as the authors web page is a troll.
3. You are not open to listening to the issues.

That depends on the issues I suppose.
I can tell from other posts of yours I have read that you are very knowable about diving. I often read those posts for the many good points you raise. All I ask is that you don't let your personal opinions influence your attitude about those who disagree. You have every right to determine what you consider safe, and right, and proper, but this area, at least I thought, is devoted to allowing those who may disagree with you a place to express their views without your baiting.

How did I bait any one? I rebuted specific points in a specific article which some one else posted. Who's baiting who? Some of those points were directly related to the nature and topograpgy of specific caves which I've seen with my own eyes while some other readers may not have. I also explained gas management for circuits and traverses and each divers navigational responsibility with regard to lines in a caves. I did so because the author and other posters made statements that I thought might be misleading to some one who wasn't cave trained. Beyopnd that, as far as I know one can disagree with me in any forum on the board.
If you think this forum will corrupt the judgement of the readers, express that opinion to the owners of the site. If they agree, the forum will go away. But bear in mind, if everyone who disagrees with you is silenced, you my find yourself with limited conversations.

Who did I try to silence. I certainly haven't ever tried to stop anyone from disagreeing with me in this forum or any other. Sometimes I get the impression that others are trying to silence me though.

I don't think the "forum" itself can corupt any one's judgement. Giving articles like this a one sided venue where they can't be argued doesn't seem to serve any purpose though unless the reason for the forums existance is to promote solo diving. One sided media can certainly misinform. The funny thing is that as of yet no one has voiced any disagreement with my statements regarding vortex, little river, gas management or line useage. They only seem bothered that I questioned the accuracy and validity of the article. Are we selling something here? I guess as long as I have posting privilages here I'll continue to say so when I disagree. With that I'll leave you with your own advice and that is if you silence every one who disagrees with you then you may find yourself with limited conversations.
 

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