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MikeFerrara:
Of course I have if you mean the one where two teams for a total of something like nine divers went in, one team got lost and a couple of those didn't make it out. They did too many things wrong to even shake a stick at but how does a buddy cause that?

Each diver is responsible for navigation and gas management. As each diver goes along he/she must reference the cave. The line is only one aspect of navigation. Each diver should inspect the line condition, placement, tie-offs and any markers that may already be there. If at any time you are not satisfied with what you see, you fix it or turn the dive. Each diver is responsible for checking any markers the team places at intersections, jumps or gaps and in some cases it makes sense for each diver to place their own. We've done that in really low vis caves with lots of T's. That way if you do get seperated you know who has passed an intersection by who's markers are still there and don't have to worry about going back in to look for some one who may have already left.

These are cave diving 101 skills and you can't blame any one else when you screw it up. Well, you could try but I won't believe you. When mistakes are made because of intentional visual gaps, or unintentionally passing a gap because you blindly followed the diver ahead of you, it's no one's fault but your own! For this unaware diver, I doubt that solo diving is going to increase their chances. The diver who blindly follows is doing worse than a "trust me" dive which is something else that's warned against in entry level cave training.

You always have to think twice about sharing reels with another team. However, even if you're diving alone you have to consider that some one may remove you're reel leaving you to figure things out without it. Especially in some of the heavily dived caves we have today and the HUGE and rapid increase in the number of people packing a cave card.

In any case there are numerous things that can happen to complicate navigation. There are procedures for addressing them. Should you get off the line and lost from it, there are lost line procedures. At the same time you're using lost line procedures to try to save yourself, your buddy, if you have one, should be employing lost buddy procedures. It can kind of double your chances of getting back to the line. On the other hand if your buddy leaves, you are no worse off than if you had been alone to start with. If your buddy grabs you, blind folds you and drags you off the line intentionally leaving you in a silt out I guess you could blame him for getting you lost. I have to admit though I've never had another cave diver try something like that. LOL

I've been in several of these stuations personally and no one ever caused me to get lost. As an example, once my wife and I were going to follow another team on what they call the godzilla ciruit in MB. It was our first time there. What they didn't say was how fast they were going to go. Following them and on the line, my wife and I dropped through the floor into a room. I don't remember which room it was but I momentarily lost sight of the line dropping through the hole. We could still see the other divers and the temptation is to assume they are on the line a follow. What do you do? you stop, relocate the line, verify it's the correct line and then continue. To do otherwise is to willingly violate the requirement for a continueous line to the surface and no one is responsible for that but you. As it turned out my wife never lost sight of the line but I did. I wasn't satisfied that I had a continuous line to the surface and we stopped until I was. Again it's cave diving 101 stuff. The only risk to doing it right (no pun intended) is that you may fall behind the other team and who cares? If you would willingly violate such a basic principle you are in danger on any dive whether alone or with some one else.

The mexico accident is a good case for the study of lots of things but not the dangers of buddy diving, IMO.
How could you possibly say that the mexico accident was anything but a buddy CF. The guide from PA? The teams without progressive penetration experience in that system? It's a shame and a sham to blame anyone but yourself if the whole team goes down.

when I solo dive.... Forget it , you wouldn't understand.

there's alot to be said about cave diving 101. knowledge is a good thing
 
ClevelandDiver:
Have you read the sticky at the beginning of this forum?


ATTENTION - READ THIS FIRST

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Solo Diving is replete with it's own hazards. .....

This is a no-troll zone! The discussion is not to be centered around whether to do a solo dive, but in the techniques and strategies involved. Do not participate if you have already decided that solo diving is not for you! Thanks in advance.
ah , I am a solo technical diver. you might want to quote someone else
 
nova:
ah , I am a solo technical diver. you might want to quote someone else


Read it again, the bold part.

The forum is not for discussing whether one should solo dive. Everyone in here is supposed to have accepted solo diving and should be here to discuss strategy and technique.

Bashing buddy diving does nothing to help people with their solo diving. Everyone here embraces solo diving, so you don't need to sell them on it.

That would be a topic for the a different forum where non-solo divers could agrue with you to your hearts content.
 
nova:
How could you possibly say that the mexico accident was anything but a buddy CF. The guide from PA? The teams without progressive penetration experience in that system? It's a shame and a sham to blame anyone but yourself if the whole team goes down.

Are we talking about the same accident? I thought the guide was, what's her name? the lady from Florida. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it absolutely was a CF.
when I solo dive.... Forget it , you wouldn't understand.

I'll say one thing about the solo forum. There are more people here who think they know what I would understand than any other single place in the world. LOL
 
ClevelandDiver:
Read it again, the bold part.

The forum is not for discussing whether one should solo dive. Everyone in here is supposed to have accepted solo diving and should be here to discuss strategy and technique.

Bashing buddy diving does nothing to help people with their solo diving. Everyone here embraces solo diving, so you don't need to sell them on it.

That would be a topic for the a different forum where non-solo divers could agrue with you to your hearts content.
have you had to much cough syrup? My point is that I thought CDdivers artical was very well thought out . The ones who disagree DON'T think so. period

No need to hit the " report bad post button" unless your reporting Rick or Mike for violating the TOS of the solo forum
 
MikeFerrara:
First of all I don't have much time right now but second that was the third stupidest article I ever read. ........
Mike,

I was rereading this thread (for amusement puposes only, as it offers no insight into actual solo diving), and I noticed it was the THIRD stupidest article you have ever read. I gotz ta know what the 1st and 2nd place winners were and if you have links to them.

BTW the way, if I read your posts correctly:

You are not against solo diving.
You do it yourself on occasion.
Your main gripe with this thread is that it uses bad buddy diving examples to promote solo diving as superior to buddy diving.
 
nova:
have you had to much cough syrup? My point is that I thought CDdivers artical was very well thought out . The ones who disagree DON'T think so. period

No need to hit the " report bad post button" unless your reporting Rick or Mike for violating the TOS of the solo forum

First off, no need for juvenile insults, they only prove you are unable to form an articulate arguement against the specific points I have made.

Secondly your initial post (see below) said nothing about the original post/article, it was an arguement against buddy diving trying to sell people on solo diving. People already accepting of solo diving none the less. Which is why I made my post about the purpose of the forum.

Thirdly, have a nice day.

Nova 1st post:

"here are some points that some people seem to confuse,

your gear can fail in an overhead environment, but it can't get you lost like a buddy can. your gear can break, but it can't panic .
solo divers depend on their gear. Should the gear fail they depend on their training, almost all gear failure can be fixxed without danger to the diver. You just can't say that about a buddy"
 
ClevelandDiver:
First off, no need for juvenile insults, they only prove you are unable to form an articulate arguement against the specific points I have made.

Secondly your initial post (see below) said nothing about the original post/article, it was an arguement against buddy diving trying to sell people on solo diving. People already accepting of solo diving none the less. Which is why I made my post about the purpose of the forum.

Thirdly, have a nice day.

Nova 1st post:

"here are some points that some people seem to confuse,

your gear can fail in an overhead environment, but it can't get you lost like a buddy can. your gear can break, but it can't panic .
solo divers depend on their gear. Should the gear fail they depend on their training, almost all gear failure can be fixxed without danger to the diver. You just can't say that about a buddy"
I think there is a need for juvenile insults and maybe some reading comprihension. LOL

The point I was making is that solo divers depend on their gear,training and skill , not on a buddy for their safety.
 
ClevelandDiver:
Read it again, the bold part.

The forum is not for discussing whether one should solo dive. Everyone in here is supposed to have accepted solo diving and should be here to discuss strategy and technique.

Yes. Yet we cotinue to see posters who seem to come here to "justify" it ot seem to be asking for validation or permission or something.
Bashing buddy diving does nothing to help people with their solo diving. Everyone here embraces solo diving, so you don't need to sell them on it.

I agree.

Team diving works as is evident by the many impressive team exploratrion projects that have gone on around the world. I also know divers who have conducted successful cave surveys at 250 ft solo. I, for one recognize this and after bad experiences with buddies early in my diving, made an effort to learn how to take advantage of diving with others and make it work. Especially since I spent much of my diving carrer trying to teaching others to do it. At the same time I'm not completely apposed to jump in the water by yourself as many are. There are many dives that I'm more than willing to do alone. I have done it and I probably will again but not because I'm afraid of a buddy. My wife would be very disappointed to hear it if I was. LOL I don't dive alone because I'm afraid of buddies and I don't dive with buddies because I'm afraid to dive without them. I do each dive as I want because that's how I want to do it at the time. I do each as safely as I can realizing that the safest thing to do is to stay home. I don't need to convince resorts, PADI, GUE or any one else of anything. I do, however, have a habit of stepping when I think I see divers headed for trouble like when divers read a goofy article like this and not knowing any better say "Yep good point buddies are dangerous" as with the infamouse rodales campaign against buddy diving that proceeded the introduction of the SDI solo course.

Given my preferance and if I can influence less experienced divers I would like to encourage them to get training or somehow learn solid skills and to buddy/team dive well. Then they are, IMO, in the best position to decide what they want to do and how. So many of the buddy diving bashers seem to just be divers who have never learned how. Shoot, how would they know? They need a good class, not their own colum in rodales. It's probably not their fault since the average dive training doesn't really teach it and the resorts with their assign a buddy thing don't at all help. But, hey, you have to take the clients diving and if they show up for a buddy dive without a buddy you do the best you can for them. LOL

On most dives nothing goes wrong. You can drop down, walk around the bottom and climb the rope back up and be just fine without basic dive skills, a buddy or anything else but it doesn't prove a thing. The best way is to have the skills, know the risks and do the best you can to address them and make a decission from an educated position. Even then you might make the wrong decission and get wacked.

And, not to say I told you so or anything but this thread (along with a few others in this forum) are just exactly the kind of stuff I was concerned (and argued) about when this forum was first conceived.

So fine, some divers choose to go solo. Nothing wrong with discussing the when, where and how of it. But...when it becomes a sales pitch to sell divers on it base on the proposition that buddy diving is somehow more dangerous it, IMO, becomes irresponsible.
 
nova:
The point I was making is that solo divers depend on their gear,training and skill , not on a buddy for their safety.
Hmmm... well, buddy divers and team divers (technical, now) depend on their gear, training and skill, not on a buddy for their safety... so, what's your point?
Rick
 

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