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On the HOG, I have heard a lot of good things on these regs and just read a nice remark about them breathing much more smoothly compared to the Oceanic Delta that my gf & her sister have...
Anyone making a remark like that probably doesn't know much about regs.
For the most part, reg performance with modern regs has more to do with the skill of the tech who last tuned/serviced the reg (or whether the reg is in need of an overhaul) rather than the inherent capability of the reg itself.

I haven't used either the HOG-branded regs or Oceanic regs, but I'd be willing to bet that they would breathe fairly similarly if the i.p. on the first stages were set to the middle of the manufacturer specified range (140 ± 5 psi?) and the cracking pressure on the second stage were adjusted to 1.0-1.1 inch of water. In my mind, that would be comparing apples to apples.
 
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If you plan to do your own maintenance you'll want to be sure you can get parts - either locally or on-line. I believe that rules out ScubaPro and Aqualung? (including Apeks?) Someone feel free to correct this if I'm wrong.

I only dive warm water. I've owned Atomic reg(s) since about 2000. Never an issue with them. 2 year service interval and if you buy new - parts are likely free for life. I pay $60 service charge per reg every other year. They all breathe basically the same, the differences are in the materials used. I have a T2 now, Ti doesn't corrode - ever. But you pay dearly for it....:rofl3:
 
Bubbletrubble, I appreciate your insight. I don't disbelieve the level of parity with many enthusiast level gear (is a similar situation in other hobbies too). It's more about how a particular piece of gear is tuned and then used.

If I can get inexpensive gear with a great warranty and be easily tuned to perform like more expensive brands, then I'm all for it.

I don't know anything about what adjustments can be made to a regulator system, but am certainly interested in learning at some point.

DiverSteve, yeah, I saw the Atomic Ti at Beneath the Sea, then later looked up the price. Gadzooks! $$$$$$
 
I am an Edge/HOG dealer. I just got the line in my area. I have been using the HOG regs for going on 3 years now. I also own 2 Oceanic CDX5's with Delta3 and GT3 seconds. I've had those for 7 and 5 years respectively. I think I can give you a good comparison.

The HOG's breath every bit as good as the Oceanic's. In fact maybe a bit better. The factory mouthpiece is much more comfortable on the HOG's. The Oceanic second stages are a bit smaller but to me not much lighter. The HOG's are easier to work on and the knobs much more friendly with big gloves on. The dive/predive switch is larger and easier to find and seems to be more friendly to in between adjustments.

First stages- Oceanic's are more compact. HOG's have better hose routing in my opinion. Oceanic will not sell you parts. I can't get parts from the factory and I'm an authorized tech. I can sell you HOG or Edge gear and the kits to service them.

If you go Edge I can sell you a complete set for a price that will compare to the EOS 1st and 2nd alone. That would be a balanced sealed 1st, a balanced adjustable primary, a balanced octo with a dive predive switch, and 2 or 3 gauge console for a price I can't advertise but will PM if you want. Including braided hoses on the 2nds. And I would put the Edge up against any other reg out there. I use the HOG's only because most all of my tanks are DIN. The Edge is a yoke reg with DIN option.
 
If I can get inexpensive gear with a great warranty and be easily tuned to perform like more expensive brands, then I'm all for it.
Well, it's difficult to beat the price/value ratio of the HOG regs. Not too long ago I paid $225 for a used Apeks XTX200/XTX50/FSR reg set (including SPG) that was in very good condition and had just been serviced. At current prices, I think a brand new HOG set (1 first stage + 2 second stages) would cost approx. $350.
I don't know anything about what adjustments can be made to a regulator system, but am certainly interested in learning at some point.
Taking a step toward learning more about how regs work...
If you find yourself renting regs in the near future, I highly recommend that you learn how to do a systematic check on the reg setup before you leave the dive shop with gear in hand. Lots of people complain about rental regs because they fail to detect fairly obvious problems until they get out on a dive boat and finally pressurize the reg just prior to splashing in. :shakehead:

If you want to learn more about how regs work and possibly explore the DIY servicing route, there are two books you should consider adding to your library:

Good luck with researching your reg purchase.
 
Regarding the USD Conshelf and their equivalent, current Aqualung counter parts, why wouldn't you just buy the new Legend or Titan that unlike the Conshelf line (from what I can gather) isn't discontinued?

On the HOG, I have heard a lot of good things on these regs and just read a nice remark about them breathing much more smoothly compared to the Oceanic Delta that my gf & her sister have...

Actually, the Conshelf is not discontinued...it is just no longer sold to the public, the military still can get it. As for the parts counter, even though the Conshelf is discontinured to the public the parts kit for the old model Titan and the Conshelf are the same one and most of the major parts (orings are the major difference between kits) in the kit fit 90% of all USD/AL regs so parts are going to be around for a long time.

The Conshelf second stage is not the best on the market but is tough and easy to service. As a first reg or one to learn servicing on, it is hard to beat.

The SEA is another good choice and IMO easier to service than the Conshelf or Titan. Some of the older models are a little big but they are great regs and again use the same major repair parts as the Conshelf/Titan/Legend series of regs.
 
Just go purchase an AL Titan LX or a Scuba Pro of similar sort and be happy.

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Just go purchase an AL Titan LX or a Scuba Pro of similar sort and be happy.

I choose ScubaPro. They are known worldwide and it would be hard to find a shop that DOESN'T service them. They offer a wide range of regulators including both diaphragm and piston regs. Their newest regs in the budget range (C200 and C300) got editor's choice from the PADI dive magazine. Not that it really means anything, but to me it says they are at least a good value. ScubaPro also has high end offerings as well. The new C200/mk11 and C300/mk11 are really nice looking and lightweight (haven't dove them).

To me, scubapro is a company that makes great regulators and I would dive any reg in their line in a heartbeat because I trust their quality. I will say that I don't like my scubapro BCD that much or their computers. But since this is the reg section I will give them my nod.

Atomic Aquatics was started from a guy who worked at ScubaPro. They make very nice regulators, all of them having basically the same design (balanced piston first stage) with the main difference being the materials they are made out of. The design has stayed the same for a while, demonstrating the longevity and reliability of their design as well as the performance. They are notoriously high priced in my opinion, but worth the money especially if you want a reg that you are going to keep for your lifetime and have the cash for the titanium model. However, my local dive shop is not licensed to service them and that's a deal breaker for me. Many people view Atomic Aquatics as the top-of-the-line regs and I would have to agree.

These days I have trouble hating on any manufacturer. Some people prefer aqualung, others swear by HOG or oceanic or Titan.

Honestly the best advice is to ask your local dive shop what they would recommend given your price range and why.

I would say scubapro because I could find a reg to fit your price range that will breathe effortlessly and be serviceable worldwide, but thats just me.

Others here are telling you about a company who supports DIYers like you, which is awesome too.

Like your thread title says, there are a lot of regulators out there. You just have to pick one and you will probably learn to like it because a lot of companies make good ones these days.
 
The best thing to do is go to a bunch of LDSs and talk with them. See what they sell, and ask them what they dive. Jersey has an...eclectic blend of divers so you should get just about as many opinions as you will here.

For me I like it simple and cheap. An Oceanic CDX-5 DVT w/ NEO 2nd stage. Its environmentally sealed, light, and has less moving parts. We don't need no stinkin knobs :D Get the LDS tech to tune that bad boy super-fine and you'll have a lazy breathing reg for under $400 bucks.

The Aqua-Lung / U.S. Divers regs are great but when it comes to new divers buying used regs it too often works out like Forest Gumps' box of chocolates...."ya neva know whatcha gonna get". Unless you know regs and work with them regularly I'm on the side of your GF...get something new and from a shop. That way you've got someone to blame if there is an issue and also someone readily available that can fix an issue.
 
On the issue of which brand, in terms of availability:

Zeagle, Atomic, Cressi Sub (and to a lesser extent Oceanic) are not as widespread. Hog/Edge is utterly nonexistent in island shops, but when they sell parts direct that is not as big a factor if you want to invest in your own tools. But spending the money on the tools to service them is a personal choice, and a many factored one.

On the issue of which brand, on the basis of longevity:

I love Atomic (the titanium ones only) second stage regs because they are resistant to death by corrosion (which kills all other seconds stages eventually) and they are resistant to seat wear by being left unused. Every other second stage accumulates wear when it is not being used (well except for really old Sherwood, but those really suck anyway). Atomic does not suffer this wear because it has the 'seat saver' in the second stage.

On the other hand, in first stages, Apeks was the first one to be essentially corrosion proof with their dry environmental seal At one time that put them way ahead of any other first stage. But when Aqualung bought them and incorporated the dry environmental seal into their line of first stages, and Zeagle and Oceanic went ahead and just started making their own versions (regardless of patent status) that spread to most manufacturers. Now Oceanic (with the DVT) and Aqualung (with ACD) have closed off the final bad corrosion area with the inlet protection system, they have leap frogged to the head of the pack in first stage design.

ScubaPro makes good gear certainly but the open piston design means that most of their first stages will fail from corrosion eventually, and their (non titanium) second stages will eventually fail from corrosion as well. I personally have killed several MK15s amd several g250s, and the amusing ways in which their older regs failed from corrosion put me off chromed brass for good. Great regs, great breathers, maybe not so long lasting in extreme conditions. This was always the strength of the old US Divers regs because being non balanced, the pivot points which suffer the most corrosion were all on parts replaced at the time of service. The SP went for an easier breathing reg, that used a fixed, non-replaceable pivot point which could doom the air barrel to death by corrosion.

Now the corrosion race (or the race against corrosion) goes to USD (US Divers/Aqualung) or Oceanic's dry environmentally sealed and DVT/ACD first stages. Atomic's Titanium second stages(not their Zirconium second stages, which corrode worse than chromed brass, and not their stainless steel which is resistant but not immune to corrosion) are the clear winners in the second stage battle against corrosion. Other brand's titanium second stages may last as well, but it seems like alomst every one else mixes some titanium parts with other metals parts like a stainless lever, and just call it Titanium. Atomic's second stages are all titanium, at least all the metal parts are. Some of the plastic parts of Atomic second stages, however, are apparently made of compressed sawdust though, because they fail with U/V exposure pretty quickly. It almost seems like (some of) the plastic parts in Atomic second stages are built to fail, because the titanium parts never will.

Get new Oceanic or USD dry environmentally sealed reg because their new first stages are setting the pace. The second stages will eventually fail from corrosion, but the first stage should be good forever with the DVT/ACD feature and the dry environmental seal. If you want a lifetime second stage consider Atomic but be aware that you will need soft parts at some point so having a dealer nearby helps. Although the internet is changing that, Atomic does not technically allow web sales, or at least hinders them greatly, and their dealer coverage is not the best, so a move to a new location may leave you without a nearby Atomic dealer. On the other hand, Atomic (unique among ALL manufacturers) lets you send gear to them for service, and they apparently replace all the plastic bits for free when they overhaul the regs they are sent.
 
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