rescue: underwater unconscious diver at 100ft -what to do?

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So I've been thinking about this situation. A mandatory safety stop dive at 100ft, and you have an unconscious diver. If he's doing a runaway then I'd let him go, or try to catch him if he's in reach If not, I'd do a controlled ascent with the safety stop? Skip the safety stop all together? Or do a controlled ascent up 'till the safety stop, and send the unconscious diver up first, while I do a safety stop?

I'm trying to recall this, but I don't think the rescue course went over such a scenario. It's a double edged sword situation because the longer the safety stop you do, the safer, but also cuts more out of the 6-7 min window of opportunity..

Tell ya the truth, I'd hate it if it happened.. but once you start imagining things.. brrrrr! Scary stuff.
 
If you remember from the course. Your safety is the first priority. Only then can you help another diver. For me it would depend on the tissue loading. How long had we been at 100ft? Early in the dive I just make a slow safe ascent and go straight to the surface. Close to the NDL, I make the stop and do what I can at the surface.
 
A safety stop is just that, a safety stop. All it does is give you a little added safety margin. It is not a required stop, its just recomended and a good thing to do when the situation allows.

If you have a situation or emergency that requires you or who ever else to surface, get to the surface. There is no question about it.

Unless you have a serious deco stop or a series of them it could be another question. Chances are, if you have stops to make so would your buddy. This could be a situation of if you stay they die and if you go you both die.

Anyhow you don’t want to be shooting someone to the surface on their own.

Gary D.
 
One more thing I forgot. Taking an unconscious non-breathing diver up from 100ft is realistically only going to be a recovery operation. With a minimum 3 minutes to ascend plus the internal damage caused by the inability to offgas, the person will be gone.
I would loveto be corrected here but I cannot imagine a successful rescue from that depth with the person already unconscious.
 
Is there someone at the surface to take over the rescue/recovery? Or are you just going to let the diver go from 15 ft and hope he gets in a face up position at the surface. If you don't have a deco obligation and there's no one on the surface that can continue the rescue, you ascend slowly. Like Gary said, it's recommended from 100 ft and shallower. It's required deeper than 100 ft.
 
Not to go too far off the topic, hopefully, but is the 3 minutes for greater than 100', but less than 130', truly mandatory, or added margin? It's always struck me as odd to say that it's NDL, but then say "by the way, it's a mandatory stop for > 100'" In other words, if it's really mandatory, it IS deco, whether PADI chooses to call it euphemistally a safety stop.

In other words, if you dial it up in deco software would you see that 3 minutes at 15' has somehow become mandatory in the 100 - 130 range, if otherwise you have only been down a few minutes?

Thanks.
 
If you plan it out on a deco program within NDL, then it's not mandatory, so it's more of a safety margin that the recreational agencies throw in there.
 
Thanks for the quick reply. Added margin is good, just wish they wouldn't call it mandatory -- I'm an engineer, when someone uses a term like that it is a red flag.
 
TheDivingPreacher:
One more thing I forgot. Taking an unconscious non-breathing diver up from 100ft is realistically only going to be a recovery operation. With a minimum 3 minutes to ascend plus the internal damage caused by the inability to offgas, the person will be gone.
I would loveto be corrected here but I cannot imagine a successful rescue from that depth with the person already unconscious.

The most common sense approach to emergency response is to remember to refrain from locking one's thinking inside a box ( sorry, that metaphor is grossly over-used! ), by that I mean one must be able to adapt procedures to varying situations. Equally important is to remember your priorities:

> YOUR ( Rescuer ) safety comes absolutely FIRST.

> People live & die by way of A B C & bleeding.

With those primary criteria in mind, react as safely & as quickly as you can. With open circuit equipment, an "unconcious" casualty is likely a " v.s.a." ( vital signs absent ) casualty ( an exception could be a witnessed O2 tox. victim, where the buddy takes control instantly & protects the diver's airway while surfacing...), who has likely drowned. Such a casualty needs the surface & a flat, hard platform ( for resucitation ) as quickly as can be safely managed.

How you achieve your primary objectives can be analogised to a mechanic with a box full of tools, where you are the "Rescue Mechanic", & your "tool box" is your mind's store of retrievable procedural options, adapted to the circumstances you find yourself in.

As to your scenario of an "unconcious" casualty @ 100', consider these thoughts:

> nature of casualty ( who is it? your buddy? An unknown diver you "happened upon?" )

If it is your buddy, you should have a good idea of the circumstances of their unconciousness, provided you were " buddy diving" - not "kinda diving together". You would then base your response on the known circumstances. Much of what you do will be based on your knowledge of your own personal capabilities & limitations. You MUST be honest with yourself, or risk personal injury in trying to do things beyond your limits. This may include allowing a casualty an unescorted trip to the surface because a controlled ascent together was beyond your abilities. Many a well-intentioned rescuer has suffered the consequences of striving to assist beyond what they can safely achieve, often with tragic results. Resist.

If you "happen upon" an unresponsive diver, they have likely drowned. You now must first consider your own circumstances:

> what is my buddy & mine's dive schedule? ( that's right - you SHOULD have another person along to assist in recovering this person to surface! ).

> How do "we" safely, effectively, get this person to the surface?

You priorities are now:

> your safety
> their airway ( protect it as best you can )
> their buoyancy ( control it as best you can )
> the surface ( as quickly & safely as possible )

Once on surface:

> all get positive

> check breathing. No breathing? Try several rescue breaths as best you can, if there is no response to ventillations, then...

...decide - how close is an adequate platform for c.p.r.? If your close, make all speed for it ( I personally wouldn't slow our speed up by trying to breathe for the casualty en route - they need circulating blood to move any O2 I give them, & I can't move their blood in the water ).

...if said platform is a long way off, tow & breathe for them the best you can, & hope for a miracle.

...then again, hope for a miracle always.

Best Fishes,
D.S.D.
 
markfm:
Not to go too far off the topic, hopefully, but is the 3 minutes for greater than 100', but less than 130', truly mandatory, or added margin? It's always struck me as odd to say that it's NDL, but then say "by the way, it's a mandatory stop for > 100'" In other words, if it's really mandatory, it IS deco, whether PADI chooses to call it euphemistally a safety stop.
My way of looking at it is that the DCS risk is a very slowly changing curve with time-depth exposure. Whether or not something is "mandatory" depends a lot upon the circumstances.

With an unconscious diver at 100' I'd go with the older standard (such as old US Navy table) of 60fpm straight to the surface.
 

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