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Reason for RH release waist buckle?

Discussion in 'Hogarthian Diving' started by lairdb, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. 0ctoman

    0ctoman Registered

    Is it safe to assume that you are wearing the weight belt over the harness? Otherwise how is it possible to make it quick release where it can get caught on the rig when wearing the belt under the harness. Plase advise
  2. mc42

    mc42 Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Vancouver, Canada
    No, weight belt first, then harness over it. And you're correct, you will likely have to undo your harness buckle to remove your weight belt or it will fold over your crotch strap on its way off.

    The philosophy is that you should have a balanced rig that you can swim to the surface without needing additional buoyancy and to not risk losing your weight belt which has more serious consequences.

    If you need to ditch, then it will be a conscious decision to do it, likely at the surface.
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  3. Julius SCHMIDT

    Julius SCHMIDT Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Alexandra Headland
    Have you noticed the waist belt of the harness occupies a space on the torso higher than the weight belt
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  4. Altamira

    Altamira ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: TX
    It may just be that simple. Perhaps that is also why right hand release buckles are used on airplanes' and earlier year car seat belts. Men also release their pants buckle with the right hand on standard buckles.
  5. jborg

    jborg Lurker ScubaBoard Sponsor

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: Sweden
    This is one of my annoyances with my current setup — the weight belt and waist strap end up in *exactly* the same place. I guess this is due to an unlucky confluence of my body size & shape, backplate size, etc. For this reason I’ve tried weight pockets on the waist strap instead, but this becomes bulky when I also want a pocket for SMB etc, and depending on which tank I dive I don’t always need the weights. Then they’re just empty flopping things. Ah well.
  6. mc42

    mc42 Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Vancouver, Canada
    They are at approximately the same spot on me as well, though the weight belt tends to ride downwards a bit more. I have thought of trying a smaller backplate but can generally avoid wearing a weight belt except when teaching in a wetsuit in a pool.

    I use a hybrid setup on my single tank rig: Halcyon weight pocket with built-in hip D-ring on left, free weights and canister light on right webbing using two buckles for retention. I've also experimented with adding a weight pocket onto the belt next to the canister light with a single buckle for retention.

    Luckily I just need a 5lb V-weight on my steel doubles.
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  7. tbone1004

    tbone1004 Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: I'm a Fish!
    Location: Greenville, South Carolina, United States
    it depends, we teach students to put the belts on after the rig is donned and over the crotch strap. It's a bit clunky on a boat, but it allows for rapid release if necessary which helps as a CYOA policy. When I have to wear one personally it goes on under the crotch strap since I can't see a scenario where I would ditch it underwater.
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  8. lairdb

    lairdb Solo Diver

    I recall this coming up recently in a similar thread: have all the major agencies eliminated buoyant emergency ascent? My thought is yes, but I can't prove it. (For myself, I'm with @tbone1004 and @mc42 -- I don't foresee a need to ditch at depth and I accept the slightly added complexity to fishing it out if needed.)
  9. Julius SCHMIDT

    Julius SCHMIDT Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Alexandra Headland
    Perhaps these slightly added complexities are designed in so we have time to realise we have to change our minds and do something that doesn't require dumping weights
    Something like, and here it is again, diving a balanced rig!.

    Yeah those pita confluences, but what's worse than weights on your plate harness belt.

    I have made tubular velcroed pockets for dsmb and reel, spare reel mask etc that sit vertically between plate and wing, sounds like a lot but it's not, or a sack below the plate for gear, and bolt lead ingots to the plate with encapsulated nuts you know the round flat things.

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