Pony bottle .. do i need one at this point ?

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lowwall:


I might be missing your point, lowwall, but that page's info seems old-school to me. LP steels, 72 steel's being the main alternative to AL80's? Not around this part of south Florida from what I can see.

HP steels are in. Some dive shops just have to catch up.

Taking it one step further (and I do realize I'm newer to the sport, here, but I'm talking to people each time I go to fill up my tanks, reading a ton, and considering my gear whilst diving every week), the new wave of HP steel ponies are just coming into the sport. Smaller and handier, my bet is that we're gonna be seeing them edge out the AL19's for size vs. volume.
 
Pony up, man, with full 1st and 2nd stages. Use only air in it. Practice diving with it attached to your primary, and practice using it slung.
 
Mambo Dave:
Taking it one step further (and I do realize I'm newer to the sport, here, but I'm talking to people each time I go to fill up my tanks, reading a ton, and considering my gear whilst diving every week), the new wave of HP steel ponies are just coming into the sport. Smaller and handier, my bet is that we're gonna be seeing them edge out the AL19's for size vs. volume.
I doubt anyone would want to use a steel for a pony. I haven't checked all the tank specs out, but usually Alum tanks (typically Luxfer) make a better choice because they are very close to being neutral.
 
ZULU6:
I have found some really good arguments for carrying fully identical, redundant systems, like doubles, but this poor gas management and buddy skills logic is flawed. I’m going to continue to carry that smaller backup gun just like I’m going to keep packing my 19cf pony. As for the naysayers, tell Murphy I said hi.

Nobody ever came back from a dive and said:

"****! I had too much air with me! What could I have been thinking? Wow, I won't let that happen again!"

Carrying a pony is like having a big SMB. People like to laugh at it until it's needed, then suddenly opinions change.

I'd be willing to bet that if an OOA diver came over all freaked out and you could hand him a 30 Cu Ft. tank with a reg and accompany him back to the surface, you would have a new best friend.

Terry
 
Web Monkey:
Nobody ever came back from a dive and said:
"****! I had too much air with me! What could I have been thinking? Wow, I won't let that happen again!"

Apparently you have never been shore diving with me using an AL 80 while I use HP 120's. I was almost ready to switch to 80's or 100's when I bought my boat. Problem solved.

I'm looking into getting a pony and I do have a H-valve.
 
Pony bottles have their place, just as doubles do. There is not "one" correct answer here. Everyone is in a different "boat" when it comes to diving. There are many important variables -- regular buddies? well trained buddies? boat diving? shore diving? shore diving with long walks & rocky descents/climbs or in a quarry with a ramp into the water? deep diving-how often? shallow diving? Etc., etc., etc. One other important factor -- risk tolerance
 
Hey NetDoc we've got doubles represented :scubadive
why no singles or singles with ponies...:D

Heck we even got an icon for poor gas management...:D
:thinkingo


WebMonkey had it right...<paraphrase>

No one ever complains about coming back with NO AIR...:D

Redundant air sources are required for overhead environments and solo diving...:D

and available for anyone else who wants it...;)

MSilva...what do you want for your 19??
I could always use a throwaway when traveling...:D
 
Many good answers here and many stupid ones also. For no deco diving in 100 feet of open water a 13 cu-ft tank will get you up. Even if some people say that is not enough air to do much of a safety stop, so what. This is an emergency! If the crap hits the fan and I have to come up on a pony, then i'm really not that worried about blowing off an OPTIONAL safety stop. Compared to the alternative of having no back-up other than a buddy, this is a far better alternative.

I find that people that initially buy 30 and 40 cu-ft ponies, choose to leave them on the boat if the dive is just 70 or 90 feet because they are heavy and have drag. A 13 is very light and has not much drag. The 19 is just a little heavier and is longer, but I suspect the drag is very similar to a 13.

I think that 3 second stages is over-kill for the no-deco recreational diver. Too much crap and too easy to get them confused. I use an Air 2 usually and have the pony reg around my neck on a bungie and the primary in my mouth. No regs clipped off and nothing to get confused. If I have to share air, I tell the buddy to take the primary from my mouth. He will do it anyway in an emergency.

I have no guage on the pony which I can read underwater, because it doesn't matter. If I have to switch to the pony I am comming up, who cares if it is at 1800 or 3000 psi, I am outta there.

I suspect that if I got a bad leak in my pony I would hear it and know during the dive that my redundancy would have become lost or compromised. I don't want to run another pressure guage hose for a pony, too much crap, too little benefit. I leave my pony on and I don't monitor it during a dive. I've never had a dangerous pony bottle leak in a thousand dives.

I have the pony behind me mounted on the primary tank because it is outta the way and I never use the damn thing. Mounting a pony as a sling bottle is not a bad option and has significant advantages with regard to entanglement and passing the pony off and maybe even ditching the entire scuba unit underwater if you were tangled really bad, however I think it is more important to have the pony bottle with you rather than arguing over how a diver chooses to mount it.

The arguments about taking doubles is crazy. Who wants to walk down a beach, climb over slippery rocks, scramble up onto ladders and moving boats wearing doubles if you don't need the air? A single tank of air will put me close to the deco limit, so why carry the extra volume of doubles?

An H-valve is an option, but it requires more responsibility on the divers part because he almost always will have to shut the problem reg down to realize the redundant benefit of an H-valve. If I have a bad failure, I can just come up on the pony and direct my attention toward controlling my bouyancy and breathing rate, not screwing with valves behind my neck.

I can see the benefit of the H-valve, but if you have 8 or 10 tanks like me, then it is cheaper to just buy 1 pony bottle and one pony regulator. Also if borrowing or renting tanks, H-valves are often not available.
 

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