Pete's new position on Karl

[KPScuba]

Information and opinion should not be censored, but sometimes attitude does need to be corrected one way or another. I am slightly uniformed here, as the threads that have been pulled, for whatever reason, have been pulled. So my comments are generalized, and not directed at any particular thread, person, situation.

OH, LOOK! A short post from:

 

[NEWreckDiver]

I have thought a lot about this since those threads appeared last week. I fully understand the concept of "the owners call the shots". I know that free speech is not permitted here. I agree with the TOS. I do, however, find it sad that an open exchange of ideas is no longer permitted here. I may not agree with everything a member may post, but I can tell you that my mind has been changed here more than once by reading the posts of some of the people who seem to be unpopular on this board. I have learned from Genesis here just as I have from others and I believe I am a better diver from considering all the input and applying it as I see fit.
I wonder what will be the next non-debateable issue here?

I do not want to speak for anyone, but this has nothing to do with free speech. I would assume that you can say what you wish. (I think you just proved that)

The agument here is that it is irresponsable to advogate diving without formal training. As I understand it this is the only issue. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[mempilot]

I have to side with the shop on this one, though you are certainly free to vote with your feet(fins?) The Divemasters and Instructors are the most influential contacts that the students have, and it is appropriate for them to be outfitted in gear that the shop sells(hopefully at a substantial discount). Rescue class should be taken in the gear that one will be wearing most while diving--and if you are on track to become a Divemaster, then you will be diving most in the recreational set-up that your shop promotes.

Of course, you may be better served by locating a different shop that is more in line with your gear preferences and diving philosophy.

theskull

This is BS. If a DM dives bp/wing with Apeks regs, you're telling me that it is inappropriate because most divers on the boat will be wearing jacket style BC's with Sherwood regs. Give me a break. The only reason a LDS wants a DM in their gear is $$$$.

You comment about Rescue class being taken in the gear that one will be wearing most while diving - well if the Rescue student dives bp/wing with SP jets and Poseidon regs, then they aren't qualified to be certified Rescue? You've got a pretty screwed up view on this. Do you own a shop or something? Why would the most recreational set-up promoted by your shop be the best equip for a rescue diver?

Whatever man.

 

[d@n]

I do not want to speak for anyone, but this has nothing to do with free speech. I would assume that you can say what you wish. (I think you just proved that)

The agument here is that it is irresponsable to advogate diving without formal training. As I understand it this is the only issue. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You cannot say what you wish on this board. That's what this is all about. A member was told by the powers that be that he could not voice his opinion on the subject of dive training.

 

[KPScuba]

The agument here is that it is irresponsable to advogate diving without formal training. .

For me, I am in total agreement, but we are all entitled to an opinion however unpopular it may be with anyone, or everyone else.

 

[glbirch]

..snip..
When I come onto this board for information, I want to get as many different perspectives as I can. I feel like I am grown up enough to sort through and decide for ME what is hogwash and what I want to take diving with me. And the decisions I make I am ultimately responsible for. As of yet, we don't have "dive police" out there telling us when we are doing something wrong, and I hope we never do. Fortunately we do have this board, and other organizations who share past experience with new divers (and old divers) to help them make better decsions than some in the past have made.

Lets all give and take appropriately and let those of us who are grown ups act like grown ups and trust us to be responsible. We souldn't have to be protected from information. ..snip..

It's possible you can sort fact from opinion in everything you see and hear. Can you truly claim the same for the other 6 billion people on the planet. Like it or not, in the USA people sue anyone for anything if they think they have a chance to win. And Canada isn't that far behind. So if someone gets themselves f***ed up because they borrowed some gear and got stupid in the water, they come back and say "but I read on scubaboard that it would be ok", then what? Why do you think every newspaper on the continent that runs an editorial page puts right at the top "The views expressed here are not the views of this newspaper" etc. etc and still get flack. I don't like it myself, but in this day and age I can unfortunately understand why the people responsible for running this board feel the need to place certain limits on what the members are allowed to say.

 

[Don Burke]

Information and opinion should not be censored, but sometimes attitude does need to be corrected one way or another. I am slightly uniformed here, as the threads that have been pulled, for whatever reason, have been pulled. So my comments are generalized, and not directed at any particular thread, person, situation.

OH, LOOK! A short post from:

The issue was advocating diving with only self-instruction. I haven't seen anything else restricted.

Incidentally, I refuse to use the word "censored" to describe what is done here. Censorship is a government action.

Advocating self-instruction as a way to start diving introduces some interesting liability exposure for the board. The people looking at a visit to the defendant's chair want to head that off. I can't say I blame them.

Still uninformed?

 

[NEWreckDiver]

You cannot say what you wish on this board. That's what this is all about. A member was told by the powers that be that he could not voice his opinion on the subject of dive training.

The opinion became a legal issue. He can still have the opinion, just curb it. As I understand it, he choose not to. He choice. You too have the same choice.

 

[NEWreckDiver]

For me, I am in total agreement, but we are all entitled to an opinion however unpopular it may be with anyone, or everyone else.

You are right. You can have an opinion. Just be responsable about it.

 

[KPScuba]

True, the OWNERS of this board can and do do whatever they see fit and responsible, but everyone who uses this site, those who share, as well as those who come for information, or opinion, need to know that the information available here has been, is, and will be edited for content, by those who feel they need to take that responsibilty. And by doing that, they in a sense, make themselves completely responsible for what is on this board, because if it is here, it is because they have allowed it. They prove that by pulling what they don't allow.

Therefore, if that is the case, which I am not altogether certain it is, (I have not been contacted by the owner, or a moderator confirming such) then people need to know not all information, or opinion are welcome here or available here.

However, I have been under the impression so far that the above statement is false as far as ScubaBoard is concerned, and that it is primarily attitude that is being addressed, not necessarily information and opinion. But maybe I am misinformed, or naieve, or both.