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yes, opposing arguments are important to address, however they are so obvious that it is not necessary to point them out to me.
Then again I've just been in a b!^(#& mood lately so I think it's time to thank all those who have contributed. I do appreciate it, I just am too tired & focused on too many other things to intelligently & rationally debate something over the internet.
Don't mind me...
 
If the opposing arguments are "so obvious that they don't need to be pointed out", then it is even more critical that this weak premise defend itself against them. Academically speaking.

It will truly be a test of your academic and persuasive abilities to make any kind of a case in this instance. Good exercise for a prospective lawyer, since SHE will end up arguing many positions which are completely indefensible.

Again, I do wish you luck in your paper and your class grade.

And happy diving to you!!!!!

theskull
 
nessum once bubbled...
yes, opposing arguments are important to address, however they are so obvious that it is not necessary to point them out to me.


Well, then, to you & the rest of the critics, why bother posting here? Honestly, what good does it do?


wow, when I realized the person making these statements was the person writing the paper who originated the thread, I was SO disapointed.
 
nessum once bubbled...


The Rescue Diver Manual that I have & was issued to me this past August is NOT gender neutral. It ONLY refers to a diver as a he.

Page 21 "she kicked..."
Page 21 "she quickly spotted..."
Page 68 "she felt she could make a direct assist...."
Page 69"she realized she had jeapardized her own safety..."
Page 69 "she also realized..."
Page 69 "she should wear latex gloves..."
etc. etc. etc.......

It is sexist though. It always pictures a woman as the rescuer, never the victim. Probably to avoid dealing with people who would consider it sexist if the rescuer were a man and the victim needing rescue was a woman.
 
The company I run specialises in building business intelligence tools... one aspect of this job is creating interactive surveys designed to mine important data from some sort of target community -- consumers, staff, management peer groups, et al. Probably the biggest challenge we have is making sure the data our systems collect is valid... not skewed or at least skewed in a direction and to an extent we can measure and later compensate for.

This thread has been an interesting read in my professional opinion. Of course, the postings here can't adequately convey the nuances of meaning that people may have intended, but I would like to suggest something to Nessum -- who's thread it is.

I suspect your premise may be flawed because it appears to me that you have made a conclusion based on incomplete data or at least prematurely based on insufficient data. You seem to have made up your mind before you started writing the introduction to your piece... nothing wrong with that, but that's an EDITORIAL not a RESEARCH paper. And since you asked for help, my assumption is you are more interested in producing a paper weighted towards research than an opinion piece.

I am not suggesting sexism does not exist in scuba-related materials... I suspect there is evidence enough to support that it does. But it seems the scaffold on which your arguement is built may have been erected in the wrong place. I would also suggest that the data you have collected here in this thread would be far more interesting in your paper than your original suggestion.

By the way, as well as being president of a rather small and insignificant business intelligence company, I'm a technical instructor-trainer who has been diving for a few years and who has dove all over the world.... my opinion is that sexism, classism and ageism thrive in this sport... just as they do in most other endeavours. However, that's an opinion I am unable to support with any meaningful data.


Steve Lewis
 
cobaltbabe once bubbled...
If I were to put a overwieght model in a bathing suit and pose for a brand of equipment and on the next page put a "model" in the same suit and different equipment LOL
And that would apply to a male model too. You don't see manymen in equipment ads that reflect the weight and shape of many at our local dive sites. 6 pack abs are noticeably absent around here.

Closer to the original topic, I hate trying to read documents with the "he and or she" repeated over and over. I know women dive (my wife among them). I'm as happy to buddy with a female as a male (assuming adequate skills, there are a few of either sex I will never dive with again). I find it easier to walk balanced with a cylinder in each hand, so will grab mine and my buddy of the days and carry to the suit up area. When my wife and I dive as often as not I carry em one way and she carries them the other.
My wife gets far more sexism at work (at both her current and her previous job), they complain loudly every time she uses the power tools, even though she's as competant with a skil saw (more competant than some of them) as any of the men in the shop. As a bit of a joke one day, she took our (high end Makita) skil saw to work. When they saw her using it and came over to take it away, she pointed out it was hers "and much better than the piece of crap they had to use". :D
 
I do think this is a topic that deserves being addressed. It's interesting, I bet that if the topic were racism, instead of sexism, there'd be much less ad hominem defensiveness on the thread. It seems that in any instance were sexism/feminism is brought up in society there's an ever-present backlash. It's still us overly-sensitive women-folk getting uppity about petty things that we shouldn't worry our pretty little heads about to begin with, right o-ring?
Not only did you say "ad hominem", which is hysterical in its own right, but you also made me out to be a sexist a-hole. I'm sorry I poked my head into your little estrogenical slinging match.

Have a real nice day!
 
Groundhog246 once bubbled...

And that would apply to a male model too. You don't see manymen in equipment ads that reflect the weight and shape of many at our local dive sites. 6 pack abs are noticeably absent around here.
That's b/c most men have 12 packs or cases on their abs...well...at least I do. :D
 
"It's interesting, I bet that if the topic were racism, instead of sexism, there'd be much less ad hominem defensiveness on the thread. "


We aren't going to run with this one, but, I for one don't care if your male/female/black/white/gay/straight/disabled/abled. I take everyone for who they are. If your an AH don't come around me. If you can sit down and have an intelligant conversation on any topic without blowing a gasket, come and sit at my table and we will talk about it. Maybe I'm alone here but somehow I don't think so.
 
O-ring once bubbled...

Not only did you say "ad hominem", which is hysterical in its own right, but you also made me out to be a sexist a-hole. I'm sorry I poked my head into your little estrogenical slinging match.

Have a real nice day!

Wot does 'ad hominem' and 'estrogenical' mean, I don't understand the joke?:D
 

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