Padi/diving & sexism

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I think that sexism/gender bias does exist. I don't have a problem with it, it is just fact. My wife is my usual, and preferred, dive buddy. She is a petit, physically fit attractive 51 year old who does not look near her age.
The owner of the LDS spent over 2 hours in the pool helping us try on different BC/tank combinations.
We are on a dive boat and who do you think the DM asks if they need a hand with their BC or changing tanks?
We have been diving for a few days and who do you think the Captain asks,"Any particular place you would like to go today?"
We have taken several courses togeather and the instructor always seems to put forth a little extra effort to make the experience both enjoyable and informative.
If this is sexism then I'm loving it. By the way, of the four examples I used the Cpt and DM are female.
 
I am not going to get into this Alot....

But first everone has to know I am not sexist or racist by anymeans what so ever. I am a team roper and scuba diver I rope with females who can ride horses and rope better than some men as well with many black, spanish and other races...

But my point is this...

If you want something go for it by all means but do not try to push your opinions on others and it is not a nice thing to not assosicate with others for their opinions.

If it is male or female I am always their to help in need I have never felt the need to step in because i thought they could not do it. I know it happens but if the shes and the hes let it happen then whos fault is it? We are supposed to be a diving comm and so what if they do what they gotta do to get the job done. It may not reflect the people they are, just reflects doing what makes the money.

And for the books and the videos come on ----- rasie you hand if you want to be in a video or how about that was the only female working for that company when they did that video or was the only avaible one. I am sure people are going to pick that apart but it is not ment to fuel any fires.

It is just that i am tired of hearing all the sexism and racism talk.
When a white guy freed the slaves that should of been the end of racism we all live with it still and because i am country and into horses i get labled a redneck rascist. was the white guy a redneck
and how many slaves do i or we know today living hmmmmmm

same thing for sexist crap i am not at all related to that subject but the things i do and say can be twisted into whatever will back others opinions to make me labled a sexist.

to me people of all sexes and races have bad situations they have been in. they can deal with in a + way or they can blame it on hearsay and deal with it in a - way.
 
nessum once bubbled...

And, one way or another, the lack of gender neutral pronouns is discriminatory, whether one considers it awkward or not.
This is not discriminatory at all.
 
theskull once bubbled...
I think this is an example of sexism in diving:

In the Florida Keys there is a diving operation that features daily shows of mermaids diving in a choreagraphed fashion. . . and they refuse to hire males as the mermaid divers. Not that this in any way offends me, but it is an example of sex discrimination in diving.

Women get hired as divemasters, but men cannot get hired as mermaids?

:D

theskull

This is ridiculous... you just reminded me that 7UP commercial with male truck drivers modeling for mermaids...

Hmm... I wonder what view you already have in regards to Ocean Planet's Divers magazine then...
 
nessum once gassed...
I have specified Padi, because if you read the rescue diver manual, it seems that there is no such thing as a female diver. So it's just an easy target. Plus it is actual written material, which I can quote, cite, etc...

weird, i have the manual in a dutch translation, and all i can find is "the patient", "the diver" and "the victim"

i can only find references to he or she in those little scenario stories where female divers are saving males ...

interesting ...
 
ElectricZombie once bubbled...

This is not discriminatory at all.

that's your opinion & that's fine

8buck,
I'm sure that you didn't mean to make it sound as though sexism doesn't exist & if it does exist doesn't matter, but that is the way your post sounded when I read through it.
I'm sure that you meant somewhat trivial forms of what may be called sexism (which granted all the pronoun talk is... rather trivial).
Because REAL sexism does still exist and is oppressive & discriminatory. Believe me, I've battled it in the workplace before. The male crew (which was about 85% of the staff, including the manager & owner) actually believed that cleaning was a woman's job. This was not diving related, but it was on the water... my most recent marine job involves putting up with many old mariners that won't let me handle their boats because I'm a girl. They don't know that I have a boat, been at the job much longer than the guy that they've chosen to trust, that I'm actually stronger than half the guys on the crew and am perfectly competent... they just see my gender. Sometimes I shrug it off, less work for me to do is just fine.
But it's degrading & at the first job mentioned it was pay-related. The females always had to fight more for a raise & were regularly over-looked while a newer male employee would be rewarded.
So, while I understand that you're probably sick of the whining & the reverse sexism, etc that goes on, I ask you not to dismiss it until you've walked a mile.

P.S. I spent a lot of time on & around horses growing up. I've found that cowboys are typically gentlemen that make no assumptions (or at least don't make them known).
 
Even the dive mags are aweful....

Does anyone remember the Dive Trainer issue with the helpless female in pink fins?

I called and emailed and no one even mentioned that it was wrong!
 
nessum i am a gentleman so i am going to stop trying to explain what i think so some people do not twist it around and i do agree with you nessum and alot of others too
 
I was watching the PADI DM video today and it seemed as if it was almost skewed the other way - the DMC and Instructor were both female, and a trouble maker diver was a guy....
 
nessum

it would be interesting to know why you were not assigned to see if there was sexism in the feminist movement. i have read both threads. not only did you bring out the bad side of some, you created the appearance that large numbers of divers are sexist's. you primarily pushed the buttons of those who are tired of being stereotyped and falsely accused because of what is between thier legs. if it is a gap you are a victom if not you are sexist. that is the feminist movement as it has developed through the years.
i have not found sexism, acted out, in the diving community unless started by women. i have seen both extreems of it. women who carry thier agenda with them and look for oppertunities to make acusations when ever possible,, and those who do not wear a wet suit because it only gets in the way of removing thier thong for some 50' playtime. even these instances are rare. there are the dive bunnies out there but few. most (99%) of the divers do not buy the required gear to have a 50' hot tub party. they are a breed of thier own, a very proud and honorable group of sportsmen. (oops i used the work men) if you wish to condemn the courses for content. please do so on the lines of training value not political correctness. the latter kills people.
the whole feminist thing pisses of a lot of people. diving is one of the last bastions that has not been ruined by politics. those who do this sport understand that some one hase to be the first in and some one has to be the last out. the thought that a man entering the water first is machoism, and letting a woman enter first is,,, test for sharks, she is of lesser value ism is crap. there are all levels of skills out there. we are taught to look out after each other, it is a necessary part of survival, daaaa buddy system. to infer that our behaviors are sexist suggests that the sexist problem may be more in the eye's of an observer with an agenda.
let me ask you why you did not take on the project of writing a paper about women who obtained thier position because of sexist based regulations. commonly refered to as reverse discrimination. you know sex before qualification's,,,, perhaps that would not have been in the intrest of the teacher who made the assignment. after all you can not cultivate followers and advance you position by exposing your own flaws. you do so by inflating and exposing others flaws.
on the note of rescue courses, i have been involved with some of the training exercizes. unless i am very comfortable with the woman i will not (for training) rescue her. one cannot help feeling threatened when you have to grope, tug, manipulate and twist some one to strip gear off them and not do something that may be considered as inappropriate. perception is 90% of what gets you in trouble not groping. do not try to create the perception that divers are criminals. team up with some one who perceives every action as a hostile and you are in trouble. legaly or socialy it is the same. i will train with a man any day. fortunatly once again this is a rare situation given the mindset and integrity of the diving community,(men and women both). thankfully, there is as much chance that gloria's girls will take up divng in order to further thier cause as there is a bunch of over hormoned guys taking up diving for the purpose of getting a date at 60' in some cold water rock quary. please look else where for your reaserch. perhaps you could comprimise by doing sexism during ballay sky diving. those folks may feel the same however. those who are upset by your reaserch are probably so not because of threatened exposure but by the the idea that you have made your conclusion and are coming to us to get the evidence.

tired of being stereotyped

KWS
 

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