PADI Depth Restrictions

[LavaSurfer]

SDI's flow chart from OW to rescue show that you require an AOW to take it.

Either you're mistaken, or their chart is very misleading.

I would assume as all rec agencies are the same, that this basic name calling of courses are pretty standard so my guess is the former.

If in fact this isn't the case, I'd bet telling the boat crew that you have rescue, as it's standard that this is done after AOW, that they wouldn't bat an eye on letting him on.

Please note TDI doesn't have a rec rescue course, it is properly termed SDI's course.

Interesting, I will have to ask. I know he starts next week and is not AOW.

 

[Scuba_Steve]

Interesting, I will have to ask. I know he starts next week and is not AOW.

Well, I've seen that before in Padi too, but it didn't make it right either

I think the term used at the time was "concurrent" LoL

Please let us know.

 

[vondo]

Hey Lava,

If you are PADI o/w trained then all four of your 110-foot training dives were violations of PADI training standards. This you know from your DM course is really a stupid practice for the instructor and represents a major hazard for the student. Your heirs would have had a field day with the instructor and the shop if there had been an incident.

He didn't say he went to 110' on his training dives. He said his 7th dive (counting his four training dives as dives 1-4) was to 110'.

 

[LavaSurfer]

Hey Lava,

If you are PADI o/w trained then all four of your 110-foot training dives were violations of PADI training standards. This you know from your DM course is really a stupid practice for the instructor and represents a major hazard for the student. Your heirs would have had a field day with the instructor and the shop if there had been an incident.

Sorry, you misinterpreted me or I wasn't clear.

My four training dives were done well within PADI standards. No worries there.


The 7th dive was a deep dive for AOW


I did OW and AOW back to back in fact my instructor teaches OW and AOW to every student whether they want it or not along with YScuba and NAUI. It’s an intense class and well taught. I would trust him to anyone, family included. He has over 10,000 dives and was a working diver most of his life. Hard core dude! LOL

What point I was trying to get across is the AOW material is an abridges version of the real specialties.

Take wreck for instance. PADI Wreck requires 24 hours of class along with 4 dives. Doing Advanced you get a brief on Wreck diving, some chapters to read and a single wreck dive with no penetration.

The same goes for deep diver. You get some basics on theory, air planning and a chapter to read (I am oversimplifying here) then you go on a single dive. The PADI Deep Diver Specialty consists of 24 hours of class and 4 deep dives practicing various skills.

I did my AOW doing Deep, Navigation, Boat, Wreck and Night diving. 5 single dives with training, chapter reviews and reading. To do the same specialty courses this would consist of 20 dives and 15, 8 hour days in the class.

 

[Tollie]

Hey regrets...

 

[LavaSurfer]

Well, I've seen that before in Padi too, but it didn't make it right either

I think the term used at the time was "concurrent" LoL

Please let us know.

I Just asked him, SDI/TDI Rescue.
No Advanced needed as long as he has 40 logged dives.
So in essence, he will be rescue certified and not AOW.

I guess I can no longer dive with him because I have my AOW and he does not. LOL!

 

[LavaSurfer]

Hey regrets...

No problem Mon!

 

[garyfotodiver]

Its interesting because PADI requires AOW for Rescue but TDI and SDI don’t.

SSI doesn't require AOW before Rescue. I think it is a better philosophy and practice. That's one reason why I am taking my advanced courses through an SSI shop.

 

[SteveDiver]

Is it a restriction or suggestion? I was informed that the depth was a suggestion..Just wondering..

 

[in_cavediver]

If you are worried about legal liabilities, then don't dive or have anything to do with the dive industry.

When I first trained, I knew enough to make night dives, cold-water dives (my $55 Voit Polaris II regulator never froze), dives in current, &c. So, then, if I have 200+ dives, I should know enough to do all the "advanced" dived and Do It Right, right? But what if all my dives were in 15fsw or less? Warm water, very good viz?

No, it takes time to learn to be a good diver, and simply doing 5 more supervised dives isn't the answer. All this does is allow the dive shop to charge for two courses when it should all be taught in one.

You know, we agree but then again, neither of us is making a living off diving. Our legal exposure is low. Now, if either one of us was running a boat, we might think this whole expierence/training thing was a bit more important, especially in US waters.

The real answer to what dives should be done is based on expierence. The problem is there is no universal objective way to grade expierience. Its all subjective. Then, along comes the great dive agencies and introduce a new card, AOW, and then they give objective methods, 60' for OW, 100' for AOW. Now there is a defensivable, objective standard. It has no bearing on whether its a good standard but its accepted/promoted by the largest agency. Now, if you buck their standards, you may have to defend why.