OMS Wing and single Tank

[The Chairman]

That sounds like a good plan. However, it seems to me that the even the smaller wings would cost me about what my Oceanic Chute II did. I do agree with Omar and Roakey that the back plate and wings are not the best suited to a single tank system. You have to keep bolting and unbolting stuff just to make it fit right. I would hate to have my weekend of diving miffed just because I lost a wingnut or something trying to switch things over. Might want to reserve your purchase of the back plate and wings when you are going to be using those double tanks that will really benefit from it. Heck, if you're gonna spend the same amount of money anyway, it would probably be better to have two complete units. As Omar put it, why use something less than optimal (ei something not designed for single tanks) when there are dedicated units out there that were designed just for single tanks. Just something to ponder on. Wings don't make the diver... skills make the diver!

 

[Scuba_Swinger]

I see what you are saying there, however OMS do make single + double bladders. Are these only to do with the lift provided or are they intended to cater for single/twinsets set ups.

Also, the purchase i make now is intended to stick with me for a long long time...It costs many of your earth $$$ to invest and i don't really want to be reinvesting in the next couple of years.

Is it at all possible to run a BP/wing with a single while not having to adjust the set up on a regular basis. On off the shelf bc's you just tighten the band and jump in, is this somehow different with the bp/wings

Cheers

 

[roakey]

Originally posted by NetDoc
I do agree with...Roakey that the back plate and wings are not the best suited to a single tank system

SCUBAswinger, this is an out and out LIE. There is no way to sugar coat this one.

Pete has completely lost it. His inability to separate fantasy from reality permeates his equipment choices as well. Listen to his advice at your own risk.

I am a huge proponent of single tank diving with a wing, and for Pete to claim I said that a back plate and wing is not the best solution for a single tank system is absolutely beyond comprehension.

Roak

 

[Scuba_Swinger]

lol

Oh dear, just when i thought i had it firgured out i got turned upside down...

So now if i can give a brief summary..

1. BP/Wings are good for single tank diving

2. They can be set-up easily for a dive using single

3. They can also be extended, i can add a different set of wings when it comes time to strap on a twinset.

if these point are true then i might have a winner.

btw, what do you think about OMS?...i'm looking at the single IQ. Looks stable and heard wearing. It will need to be

 

[The Chairman]

markets a single tank wing. Maybe a quick trip to their website will answer that question for you. I, being of modest means, and one who loves to invent, worked with another OMS IQ diver to create my spreader plate which solved the problem ompletely. It was his idea, but we had fun modifying it together and it really, really works. While some are quick to dismiss it's merits (see Rule #2), I don't believe that they have ever dove with anything similer to make a good solid comparison. Fred's Idea of a piece of Lexan really intrigues me as well. I will have to try it, just because he has suggested it. However, now that I bought an Oceanic Chute II, I use it for most (but not all) of my single tank diving needs.

 

[The Chairman]

Originally posted by roakey
Pete has completely lost it. His inability to separate fantasy from reality permeates his equipment choices as well.

You know, the phrase... "I love it when they rise to the bait" comes to mind. Its not fun being on the defensive eh??? Just thought you would like to see how angry AND EMOTIONAL it makes someone. And now you know! And calm down, would ya, you are scaring the natives.

However, you have to realize that they tell you to keep it dedicated and NOT add stuff on... but then they ignore the Single Tank Adaptors and such. See Rule #2.

SCUBA Swinger, you are on the right track... but try out different gear configurations in a pool or in the ocean. Don't try to determine what is best for you from what ANYONE says on the list. Check these out... you're bright, and you will figure it out with what you already know. If you like the gear configuration and it fits well, then it is probably for you. Neither Omar, Roak, or I will be diving your rig... YOU WILL. Make sure it's the one for you.

BTW, you can't get to the bottom unless you go off of the deep end. I can prove I'm sane... (I don't die, er dive in caves).

 

[Ground0]

I appricate your replys, but DIR mania is rediculas. I have been a FULL cave certification since 1990 thought been out of the sport for a while. Doing other things like backcountry skiing and rock climbing. Back then we just rigged a pack plate with 2 inch wide wt belt webbing and the only real arguments was over butt mounting light, and no Im not even going there LOL. I will probable rig double but for the occasional non-tec dive I wanted to know if I had to spend another $270 for a rip off Halcyon wing/ Did you OMS had its wing out before Halcyon and that Halcyon used it as a model for its wing, ol well sigh. I cant tell the diff and you probable couldnt tell the diff if the free advertising was stamped on the fabric.
I am sorry to start an argument but when I strarted cave diving indepent thought was valued more then what you had strapped on. The term in those days was the most valuable thing you took in the cave was the thing between your ears. But the way it looks these days is everyone is trying to imulate someone without thinking why am I doing this. Ol well thanks again for the reply and hopefully we can all have a safe dive.

cheers

 

[roakey]

What do you know, some semblance of honesty, Pete. You didn't deny that you lied. Now for an apology and we can move on.

I’ve never resorted to lying. I have noted that this is a characteristic common among the anti-DIR crowd. Must come from the inability to make your points within the realm of truth.

Go back and look at the replies over the last couple of days, I was leaving you guys alone here to promote your Rube Goldberg diving, but it slowly deteriorated into DIR bashing once again.

Pity.

Roak

 

[omar]

I do agree with Omar and Roakey that the back plate and wings are not the best suited to a single tank system.

I did not say this. I said that YOUR choice of an oversized wing with a "spreader plate" is not the best suited to a single tank system.

I use a single tank wing and BP for singles and a double wing & BP for doubles. This is, and has been a main componet of a BP/wing system - use the appropriate gear.

I notice that you choose not to respond to the question why is your setup better than using the appropriate sized wing. And I can go back and pull your comments about bashing gear without trying it if we need to refresh your memory. Go and try using the right sized wing and BP before you recommend the Rube Goldberg spreader plate.

omar

 

[roakey]

I am deeply disturbed by this turn of events.

The anti-DIR crowd has a long-standing tradition about lying about the DIR system in an attempt to discredit it, so at some level this is expected. But never in about 18 years of noting in dozens of bulletin boards have I ever had anyone flat out and knowingly lie about my position.

Pete knows full well that omar and I support diving a single cylinder with a BP, but in order to “put me on the defensive” as he stated, he told a lie. If I stated Pete hated bungie wings, I’d expect him to be “defensive” and outraged as well. What choice do you have but to “be on the defensive” if someone lies about your position? Inaction is acquiescence and therefore not an option.

This is not just over the line, this is WAY over the line.

Pete, I’ll just leave it up to you to determine the best course of action is for you at this point.

Roak