I have one word for scarefaceDM "narrowminded"
Octo on bungeed necklace?
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really?...care to elaborate on that?
Have you ever tried it? if you did and did not like that system, fine. you have atleast the knowledge that it was not the right system for you.
Based on this NARROW MINDED comment I would think not...But I can be wrong.
It works for me. works for MANY of my teammates, works for many of my other dive buddies. Keeps things simple and neat.
To each his own. Simple. and not so Narrow minded...
Have you ever tried it? if you did and did not like that system, fine. you have atleast the knowledge that it was not the right system for you.
Based on this NARROW MINDED comment I would think not...But I can be wrong.
It works for me. works for MANY of my teammates, works for many of my other dive buddies. Keeps things simple and neat.
To each his own. Simple. and not so Narrow minded...
I disagree with this staement. It is not the simplest system because it requires more steps than either the buddy breathing or octo sharing methods.
The long hose system will not work with the way I dive. I have a full face mask and I am not going to share my primary regulator with anyone even though it does come off the mask so I can switch to an alternate gas source.
Unless you are diving with a dedicated buddy that you train to do the long-hose-gas-sharing-dance with, you just added a bunch of confusion to the process of sharing air/breathing gas.
Until about four or five years ago, long hose primary rigs were not the standard basic diver configuration tought by most certifying agencies and is still not considered the basic setup by any of the diving groups outside the recreational and technical diving communities (i.e the Navy, AAUS, Commercial Diving or PSD).
But, if the system work for you and the one person you typically dive with, I agree it is probably a safer way to perform a gas share if your buddy was stupid enough to not plan his gas use (or other hypothetical catistrophic equipment failure/los of gas event).
I'm not basing your choice of diving rig configuration. I am just pointing out there are safe alternatives to your preference.
JohnQPS122
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In the S-Drill video posted above, the guy's hose comes off the right side of his body, under his right arm, across his chest, over his left shoulder, behind his head, over his right shoulder, and into his mouth. When he pulls it out of his mouth, he passes it (the hose) around the back of his head from right to left and hands it to his buddy.
When he puts it back in his mouth, we passes it over his head again. The hose is wrapped 3/4 of the way around his neck.
But I keep hearing that the hose does not go around your neck. Is that a completely different method? I pictured the hose being on the right, being bent or routed (not kinked) in a very loose S shape, and going into your mouth without going behind your head at all.
If that's a different method, can someone point me to a video or picture of it? I'm very interested in any methods other than the traditional one I know (I've just returned to diving after been away for a long time).
When he puts it back in his mouth, we passes it over his head again. The hose is wrapped 3/4 of the way around his neck.
But I keep hearing that the hose does not go around your neck. Is that a completely different method? I pictured the hose being on the right, being bent or routed (not kinked) in a very loose S shape, and going into your mouth without going behind your head at all.
If that's a different method, can someone point me to a video or picture of it? I'm very interested in any methods other than the traditional one I know (I've just returned to diving after been away for a long time).
When they say 'don't wrap the hose around your neck...' they're talking about multiple wraps so it would choke you if someone pulled it and didn't let go. With the half loop from left to right you can just duck your head and the loop will come off...
Instead of calling me narrowmined it would have been simpler and clearer to answer the way you just did.
compare apples to apples....Diving a FFM and a standard rec rig are not one in the same.
The standard recreational diver on average looses there octo one time or another. If it is at all needed, it can be hard to get to if it is behind them. It is best to have it around your neck, in its place and ready for use. Out of the dirt . This is not rocket science but very logical. And has nothing to do with DIR or cave diving etc...I am not talking about long hose - just bungied necklace Back up.
If skills are never practiced, regardless of agency here, they are forgotten. reg share, free ascents, fining techniques, buoyancy, rescues...what ever...if they are never practiced how can one be proficient in there sport. even if you dive with various buddies. as long as your own skill set is mastered you will have that much more confidence in yourself when you are faced with an OOA or what ever comes your way.
Again, Diving a FFM has its own complications, which I am sure you know well. But you cannot compare what you dive to a recreational diver because you have a more complex diving configuration compared to a single tank diver.
compare apples to apples....Diving a FFM and a standard rec rig are not one in the same.
The standard recreational diver on average looses there octo one time or another. If it is at all needed, it can be hard to get to if it is behind them. It is best to have it around your neck, in its place and ready for use. Out of the dirt . This is not rocket science but very logical. And has nothing to do with DIR or cave diving etc...I am not talking about long hose - just bungied necklace Back up.
If skills are never practiced, regardless of agency here, they are forgotten. reg share, free ascents, fining techniques, buoyancy, rescues...what ever...if they are never practiced how can one be proficient in there sport. even if you dive with various buddies. as long as your own skill set is mastered you will have that much more confidence in yourself when you are faced with an OOA or what ever comes your way.
Again, Diving a FFM has its own complications, which I am sure you know well. But you cannot compare what you dive to a recreational diver because you have a more complex diving configuration compared to a single tank diver.
Clammy
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What cave bum said. Basically we mean that it doesn't completely encapsulated your neck or even go across the front of the neck at all so it won't choke you.
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Hatul
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The necklaced regulator is a good idea even if you don't use the DIR system. I believe the long hose DIR system comes from cave divers where there may not be room to swim side by side. For open water diving it may not be worth the trouble.
I use a bungee necklace for my primary regulator, and tie off my octo on a small 1/8 inch bungee off a BC D ring in the traditional way. That way I never lose my primary regulator and it's always close to my mouth where it belongs.
I use a 3/16 inch bungee tied like in the video, it's loose around my neck and the reg can always be pulled off if necessary. The best source for bungee cord here is REI, that sells it in bulk.
Adam
I use a bungee necklace for my primary regulator, and tie off my octo on a small 1/8 inch bungee off a BC D ring in the traditional way. That way I never lose my primary regulator and it's always close to my mouth where it belongs.
I use a 3/16 inch bungee tied like in the video, it's loose around my neck and the reg can always be pulled off if necessary. The best source for bungee cord here is REI, that sells it in bulk.
Adam
promocop
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Sorry, I'm not getting this. Why the bungee around your neck on your primary in the first place?
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