Octo on bungeed necklace?

[LeadTurn_SD]

Sorry, I'm not getting this. Why the bungee around your neck on your primary in the first place?

Ok, once more for the Marines in the audience ( ) :

Your backup 2nd stage is hanging just below your chin on a bungie. It has a shorter hose. Your primary 2nd stage is in your mouth. It has a longer hose.

Placing the bungied backup under your chin places it in a position you can instantly find it with your eyes closed, with either hand, and when correctly positioned and if you practice, with no hands.

1.) You donate the regulator from your mouth, the one you are breathing, to the OOA diver. You've guaranteed that the distressed diver gets a good, working reg. The longer hose makes sharing air much easier (you are not nose-to-nose like with a traditional length octo hose). It allows the 2 divers to actually swim freely.

2.) You breath off the backup 2nd stage, the one that is hung below your chin. It works, because you know that you will be the one breathing it in an an emergency so you maintain it, and you've tested it at least once before and during the dive!

I would never in a million years be confused for a DIR-compliant diver, but the long hose / bungied-backup is just a good way to share air. You can argue about how long the "long hose" needs to be for various environments, but the concept is valid for all environments.

Best wishes.

 

[mts0628]

Sorry, I'm not getting this. Why the bungee around your neck on your primary in the first place?

Hey promocop:

No worries. So, your primary, the regulator you start the dive with is attached to a long hose- no bungee. This hose is routed from your first stage, down the right side behind you, under something such as a canister light or tucked in the waist belt, and then comes up in a diagonal fashion from the right side to the left shoulder. From there the hose bends around the back of the neck and the regulator then comes to find it's home in your mouth.

The backup is bungeed and hangs around your neck, not so loosely that it dangles past everything else but also close enough that you could just bend your head down and grab the backup with your teeth.

In an OOG scenario, you give the regulator that you were breathing to the starving diver. In a near instant fashion as you grab the primary with your right hand by the swivel, you simply ducked your head down to liberate the hose that was behind your neck, punch the regulator out to the diver with the mouthpiece down, and with your left hand you pop your backup in your mouth. No fiddling, you know EXACTLY where that backup is, don't you? Emergency over. Ok? Yes. Deploy the rest of the hose, your buddy cleans up his regulator if he does that, ok? If yes, time to move. Signal appropriately. Depending on your flavor, show your buddy your gauge somewhere in there (UTD).

Here are some pictures. Admittedly, that necklace is a bit to loose for me but if it works for that diver, roll with it!

I hope this clears up some confusion. In summary, nothing will choke you, everything is streamlined, and practice makes better.

With kind regards,
Thomas

 

[mts0628]

Ok, once more for the Marines in the audience ( ) :

Your backup 2nd stage is hanging just below your chin on a bungie. It has a shorter hose. Your primary 2nd stage is in your mouth. It has a longer hose.

Placing the bungied backup under your chin places it in a position you can instantly find it with your eyes closed, with either hand, and when correctly positioned and if you practice, with no hands.

1.) You donate the regulator from your mouth, the one you are breathing, to the OOA diver. You've guaranteed that the distressed diver gets a good, working reg. The longer hose makes sharing air much easier (you are not nose-to-nose like with a traditional length octo hose). It allows the 2 divers to actually swim freely.

2.) You breath off the backup 2nd stage, the one that is hung below your chin. It works, because you know that you will be the one breathing it in an an emergency so you maintain it, and you've tested it at least once before and during the dive!

I would never in a million years be confused for a DIR-compliant diver, but the long hose / bungied-backup is just a good way to share air. You can argue about how long the "long hose" needs to be for various environments, but the concept is valid for all environments.

Best wishes.

Or what LeadTurn SD said (except for the first line before the comma in the last paragraph! )

 

[simmonsjr]

Good recap guys, but I think that promocop gets that part of the equation. Unless I am mistaken he is referring to this comment by Hatul:

The necklaced regulator is a good idea even if you don't use the DIR system. I believe the long hose DIR system comes from cave divers where there may not be room to swim side by side. For open water diving it may not be worth the trouble.

I use a bungee necklace for my primary regulator, and tie off my octo on a small 1/8 inch bungee off a BC D ring in the traditional way. That way I never lose my primary regulator and it's always close to my mouth where it belongs.

I use a 3/16 inch bungee tied like in the video, it's loose around my neck and the reg can always be pulled off if necessary. The best source for bungee cord here is REI, that sells it in bulk.

Adam

And as far as I can tell that is just a personal preference that is unrelated to the long hose/bungeed backup system that the majority of those replying utilize.

Jason

 

[promocop]

simmonsjr is correct. I'll try the bungee part...for fun but as stated, I really dont like things around my neck...including ties!!!

 

[Hatul]

Sorry, I'm not getting this. Why the bungee around your neck on your primary in the first place?

When the regulator comes out of your mouth, it stays close. No fishing around for it, and doesn't tie up your hand holding it.

However the DIR-long hosers usually just bungee their secondaries, not the primary regulator.

Adam

 

[AquaExplorer]

So could one just go with a "normal" rig and still bungee the octo? I do not like the way the octo falls out of its holder now, so I was thinking that a bungee might be nice even for a "normal" rig.

 

[scarefaceDM]

Yes you can use a standard reg configuration. The bugied octo can be used regardless of long hose or standard hose. It is not exclusive to the long hose setup. As I stated prior and was called narrowminded for my thinking. This is the primo example that you can use the BUGNIED octo on a standardset up...keep things neat and simple and ready for deployment.

You can even bungie your primary as well. This keeps your regs out of the way while setting up. Keeps your regs right where you want them..at hand and ready to go.

It is this narrowmined thinking that I ahere to...Longhose or not DIR or not...the bungied set up works for all configurations even if you dive a FFM...you can have your octo close at hand. Simple.

So could one just go with a "normal" rig and still bungee the octo? I do not like the way the octo falls out of its holder now, so I was thinking that a bungee might be nice even for a "normal" rig.

 

[RonMurray]

Many of the replies here seem to be focusing on the convenience/inconvenience of the long hose. On the matter of the necklaced second - I prefer it. I believe PADI at least, maybe all, teach donating the primary in an OOA situation (regardless of the hose length) as a reassurance to the recipient that the reg they are receiving works.

If I am donating my primary - I want my secondary as close to my mouth as possible - necklaces are nice.

The only downside to the necklace is making sure you remove the necklace before you take off your hood or other gear (just to avoid the embarassment - don't ask me how I know)

 

[scarefaceDM]

the sling shot effect...been there..got it right in the kisser....makes a good apres dive story..

Many of the replies here seem to be focusing on the convenience/inconvenience of the long hose. On the matter of the necklaced second - I prefer it. I believe PADI at least, maybe all, teach donating the primary in an OOA situation (regardless of the hose length) as a reassurance to the recipient that the reg they are receiving works.

If I am donating my primary - I want my secondary as close to my mouth as possible - necklaces are nice.

The only downside to the necklace is making sure you remove the necklace before you take off your hood or other gear (just to avoid the embarassment - don't ask me how I know)