Now, I have to ask. A new stroke poll....

[Uncle Pug]

Shoot... stupid dog....
Crapped on the porch again....
Don't you know you're supposed to use the neighbors yard?!

Hey...Hmmm....
Maaaybeeee.... it ain't my dog doing this.....
Maaaybeeee.... it's the neighbor.....
Trying to get me to kick my dog!

Hmmm.... gotta set a trap....
But a trap laid in the sight of a bird is useless.....

 

[The Chairman]

I think I pointed who actually spelled it correctly, not the other way around, and I have NEVER disagreed that I am a stroke (check the second reply in this thread...). Some of us just take offense with the implications of "Rule #1", and frankly I think some DIR devotees are embarrassed by it too.

DIR has come to mean many things to many people. Quite a few of those on the inside have no idea how abhorrent their attitudes towards the rest of the divers are to some of us. Many don't even realize that this attitude exists. That’s OK, you live in a black and white world, while I prefer the subtleties of various shades of grey and even color! To you it's all or nothing, while for me it's adopt as I see fit. I think I have spring straps, but they are on my Twin Jets, so that doesn't even come close. BUT, I do like the spring straps and devised a much better way to make them so they are adjustable, and with fewer parts (fewer points of failure).

Anyway, what you see as "childish", I see as having a deeper darker side.

 

[miked]

Pete and Uncle Pug,
Well said-and in far more eloquent terms than I could use on this topic.
Is it not a shame that a potentially good message can get lost by the misadministrations of a loutish messenger?

Good Luck, and keep up the good work,
Mike

 

[Ontario Diver]

Originally posted by D.I.R.Lizard


Od~
What kind of situation and circumstances do you have to do something half-assed? No offense meant, just asking you a simple question. This is a tried and true system. Seems to work well enough in it's entirety. And yes, they did use that system. Everyone can learn from thier mistakes.You used to go to the bathroom in your owns pant's, but surely not anymore.
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In one word NO!

But you kiddies did not actually think, that with all of the debate on this you could actually get a one word answer did you?

You know that We who can truly answer No, like to point out to the ones that if they weren't too busy pointing at someone else and checking sp. errors they might just have to finally fess up and say "Yes I am a stroke! I have always been a stroke and most likely always will be. Because I am too dumb to put the effort out to better myself"

You guy's are right this is all pretty stupid, It is all just name calling like grade school kids. Us saying "you are" and you saying "Am not".




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:wiz:
D.I.R.Lizard

Actually, my question is focused on the core philosphies and trying to ask if the philosphy is more or less important than the gear and its configuration.

For instance if I am reef diving to 60, then the "Don't take gear that you don't need" rule could be interpreted as saying that a full dry suit, and springs on my fins - might be not needed.

But the concept of rule one, slightly reworded "Don't dive with people who's experience, training and gear are unappropriate and perhaps dangerous to the dive at hand" remains appropriate.

If I am doing some wreck penetration, perhaps a second cutting tool should be carried and in some instance a third may be even necessay for safety.

So in a nutshell, is the DIR config modifiable for specific dives outside of cave - or is anyone not outfitted DIR automatically a stroke even if they have all of the right atitudes, are in shape, and follow all of the planning concepts and thier equipment is appropriate for the dive at hand?


And let's not forget, where does DIR suggest you store your National Geographic for reading on those long deco stops?

 

[Divesherpa]

Yes, I am a stroke! I have always been a stroke and most likely will always be a stroke because I am too dumb to put the effort out to better myself.
I'm too busy putting new line in new holes or relaxing in old holes with well travelled lines.

cheers

 

[bradymsu]

Yes, I am a stroke because I am human and therefore imperfect though striving toward diving zen/grace. I'm humble enough to realize that I'll never be "right" & there's always a better way.

 

[WetDane]

he he,
UP and Pete - I think I see where your bet came from - I guess we have new candidates to carry bags for AG?

Anyway - I find the idea of readin Nietzhe during deep stops very interesting - Übermensch - anyone?

Can we define "stroke"? I have yet to see a definition - so it seems that we are all answering this question based on our own interpretation and some people - may have a lot to learn apparently.

As far as I am aware - the best definition of a stroke - as given by the blue gloves - those of you in the know, knows who I am referring to - is:

A person who engages in an activity using less than optimal and avaliable equipment and techniques against better knowledge.
This means that a new diver is not a stroke - for s/he does not know any better.
It means that a person who is aware of the issues involved, but decides to disregard available knowledge - can be considered a stroke.

That would mean that I sometimes dive like a stroke as well - that does not mean that I think I'm a stroke - on the contrary - I think that I am anything but a stroke and I work damn hard on bettering myself each and every dive.

Big T

 

[jimholcomb]

Originally posted by WetDane

As far as I am aware - the best definition of a stroke - as given by the blue gloves - those of you in the know, knows who I am referring to - is:

A person who engages in an activity using less than optimal and avaliable equipment and techniques against better knowledge.
This means that a new diver is not a stroke - for s/he does not know any better.
It means that a person who is aware of the issues involved, but decides to disregard available knowledge - can be considered a stroke.

That would mean that I sometimes dive like a stroke as well - that does not mean that I think I'm a stroke - on the contrary - I think that I am anything but a stroke and I work damn hard on bettering myself each and every dive.

Big T

BINGO!!

 

[ninja]

Can you humor some of us and let us know what you mean by blue gloves ( are you referring to Blue Dry Gloves??)


Because keeping your hands warm during winter diving or deep wreck diving would be stupid...

Let's see you guys do the empress of Ireland in the St. Lawrence in 35 degree water for a hour and a halfut:

I know they have a failure point but it is cold ass diving here in the great lakes and Canada

NINJA

 

[Lost Yooper]

I use 5mm gloves up here with no problem . I'm good for at least 90mins in <40F Lake Superior water. All you have to do is cinch them down and prevent water exchange. I've seen too many dry gloves puncture on wrecks, the dive boat, or wherever and kill their dive or entire day of diving. Nothing is funnier than watching someone backroll into the water up here with their suit unzipped though .

Mike