Not Feeling Well? New Hand signal.

[wetb4igetinthewater]

If someone made the circular signal, I’d think he’s hungry.

Can see some potential here:

• *hungry* -> *thumbs up*: let’s go and eat
• *point at lionfish/scallops* -> *hungry* let catch some food

I think this is already covered by patting oneself on the head while rubbing one's stomach.

 

[DiveProKoko]

So now you are saying that some secret private messages you received said that individuals did not believe they were properly instructed by their individual instructors who did not follow standards.

Haha! Before I recently retired, I was a police trainer and field training officer. This made me laugh because the number one excuse by new police recruits when they make a mistake in the field is....."Our instructors didn't teach us that....." LOL! Well, then why did you sign the training record stating you received that training? Haha!

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

Haha! Before I recently retired, I was a police trainer and field training officer. This made me laugh because the number one excuse by new police recruits when they make a mistake in the field is....."Our instructors didn't teach us that....." LOL! Well, then why did you sign the training record stating you received that training? Haha!

Is this an indicative to exposure and actually learning? I remember drinking from the firehose in my IDC and my CD insisted he taught us everything that we needed to know. And he exposed us to the information. Teaching something involves actually learning and remembering. And it is more than reading bullet points off a powerpoint presentation.

I work in the medical equipment field where we have to sign off on training we received that consists of reading through complex documents. It is completely delusional to think people remember the contents. For me, I read it, make sure it makes sense, then know where to go back if I actually need that information, as you can bet your αss I won't remember it later that day.

 

[boulderjohn]

I saw a comic strip years many years ago that I used to use in presentation on instructional technique. In the first panel, one boy tells another that he taught his dog how to talk. In the next panel, the other boy goes to see this amazing feat for himself. He then comes back and says, "You said you taught your dog to talk, but your dog can't talk." The first boy said, "I said I taught my dog to talk. I didn't say he learned it."

Decades of research has shown that the degree to which people learn what they are taught varies as a result of several factors, but the most important factor is the skill and technique of the teacher. Unfortunately, a major (but highly flawed) research study in the late 1960s came to the conclusion that teaching method and skill did not matter, and bad teachers cling to that belief despite decades of studies contradicting that.

Most scuba instruction starts with home study, either in a book or online. Research on instructional design of learning materials also shows a marked difference in their effectiveness.

 

[Umpman]

I believe this is the DM float test with hands out of the water for the last two minutes.

This is dramatically different than previous claims. Screen shot from the PADI IM 2017.

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I don't know from what agency DM program he cut and pasted that text.

Not sure of what agency it is but based on the requirements @ChrisDee posted, I would say it is from a search and rescue course or a dive guide/DM course. Most of those requirements are in a Search and Rescue course however the 15 minute float would be for a DiveMaster/instructor course.

 

[tursiops]

Thanks John, but I need it from a written course Student manual. I need the documentation.

For example:

"Be watchful for signs of diver stress and anxiety, and act
quickly and appropriately when you see them."

"Levels of Supervision
1. Direct Supervision – Observe and evaluate student diver
ability to perform skills and understand theoretical
knowledge. Do not delegate this responsibility to
certified assistants except as outlined in specific course
standards or professional membership standards.
2. Indirect Supervision –
a. Dive site: Be present and in control of the activities,
but not necessarily directly supervising all activities.
Approve dive activities, oversee the planning,
preparation, equipment inspections, entries, exits
and debriefings and be prepared to quickly enter the
water."

"1. During briefing, recognize the hand signals for “okay,”
“something is wrong,” “ear problem,” “low air,” “up/
end the dive,” “stay with your buddy,” and the audible
and visual signal for “look at me.”"

The above were taken from a popular Instructor manual.
None of the above is directed at a student. Where is the teaching, documented, that says to a student do this if you feel this way or your in trouble,.......put another way, where is the directive, or verifiable information putting the onus of calling for help upon the student? I mean after all it is their responsibility to alert others for help?

The question is, where is the "I'm in trouble, hand signal"? Or "I'm sick" hand signal?
Or does everyone take the generic "something wrong" hand signal as the same meaning.
Do we need a hand signal that clearly states: I'm in trouble and I want you (the instructor ) right now, as in I'm in some kind of emergency? IMO the current state of instruction does'nt come close to what we curently have and the current instructional material dosn't come close to teaching this.

Thanks.

I sincerely hope you are not an instructor.

 

[tursiops]

No, I'm not "trolling." You people either have an agenda, or are incabable of listining. It is a very simple request to provide documentation. And you can't , WHY???? Because there is none.

Total rejection of reality. It has been provided several times.

 

[MidOH]

Circular symbol is "time to take over the world".

Then you point to weapon of choice. A trilobite line cutter is pretty weak, though.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

Circular symbol is "time to take over the world".

Then you point weapon of choice. A trilobite line cutter is pretty weak, though.

My dreams and aspirations of becoming World Dominator have been dashed

 

[lowwall]

Circular symbol is "time to take over the world".

Then you point to weapon of choice. A trilobite line cutter is pretty weak, though.

That's why I carry safety scissors trauma shears.