Northern Cruise Ship Pier

[ccannon707]

Dave, thanks for your take on the recent elections re the Northern Pier. In a word: YAY!!! Fingers will stay crossed that this idea goes the way of the Trump Resort & the Windmills on the East Side.

 

[cvchief]

Yep, just like my neighbor might listen to my suggestion of where I think their piano would be better placed, but they will do what suits them, not me. I am there visiting but they have to live with the arrangement.

Of course if you neighbor was renting you a room and wanting you to keep coming back, I think he would want to know and move the piano. Lay down the gringo, imperialist guilt. It isn't like you are invading and stealing the piano.

 

[ggunn]

Of course if you neighbor was renting you a room and wanting you to keep coming back, I think he would want to know and move the piano. Lay down the gringo, imperialist guilt. It isn't like you are invading and stealing the piano.

I might. What kind of piano is it?

 

[Pelagicsal]

In the news today. Government opposition to new pier. Yay!!
https://translate.googleusercontent...=ALkJrhgAAAAAV2skhR5QlYtaMw3icfFGsQppgtWz2yhh

 

[El Graduado]

I read that article in Spanish, and there is something very fishy about the amounts of dollars the anti-pier organization says the cruise ship visitors spend as opposed to the vacationers who stay overnight on the island. Here is the English translation of that part, which is faithful to the original Spanish:

"During 2015, Cozumel received just over 600,000 overnight tourists (60% of them international), whose average stay was three to four days. This generates an estimated $520 million. Revenues generated by cruise [passengers] amounted to 80 million; ie only 14% of the total [spent]. It is estimated that, on average, a tourist spends $538 during their stay, while a cruise [passenger] only spends $89."

My math says if just HALF of the 3,400,000 cruise ship passengers who came to Cozumel in 2015 spent $89 USD each, that is well over the 80 million they calculated. I'd say it is more like $201 million if only 2,266,666 of them (appx 2/3 of the total passengers aboard) came ashore and spent their $89.

In one part of the article they say the 600,000 overnight tourists spend a total of $520 million on Cozumel, a number I do not believe. That is an average of $866.66 for each person for their 3.5-day stay not including air (which isn’t counted). Later, they say the overnighters spend an average of $538 each during their stay of “three to four days,” which would make it $322,800,00.00, a number I still do not believe.

553,776 people arrived by plane on the island last year, according to ASUR. How many are tourists, how many are residents, wasn't broken down, but I guess if you take a large part of that number and add it to the unknown (they don’t ask) number of overnighting tourists arriving by ferry, you may be able to get to some number like 600,000, but who knows? Sounds like real “guestimating” to me.

Nothing in this article adds up!

 

[mmmbelows]

They are also leaving out all of the taxes and revenues they collect from the cruise ships - which could include some or all of types of harbor or port taxes per ship or per passenger, custom fees, head taxes, dockage fees, inspection fees, pilotage fees, taxes for land tours, security services, etc...

 

[Pelagicsal]

They are also leaving out all of the taxes and revenues they collect from the cruise ships - which could include some or all of types of harbor or port taxes per ship or per passenger, custom fees, head taxes, dockage fees, inspection fees, pilotage fees, taxes for land tours, security services, etc...

Very little of any of these funds stay on the island. They go to state and federal authorities and do not come back in any meaningful way.

 

[Pelagicsal]

I read that article in Spanish, and there is something very fishy about the amounts of dollars the anti-pier organization says the cruise ship visitors spend as opposed to the vacationers who stay overnight on the island. Here is the English translation of that part, which is faithful to the original Spanish:

"During 2015, Cozumel received just over 600,000 overnight tourists (60% of them international), whose average stay was three to four days. This generates an estimated $520 million. Revenues generated by cruise [passengers] amounted to 80 million; ie only 14% of the total [spent]. It is estimated that, on average, a tourist spends $538 during their stay, while a cruise [passenger] only spends $89."

My math says if just HALF of the 3,400,000 cruise ship passengers who came to Cozumel in 2015 spent $89 USD each, that is well over the 80 million they calculated. I'd say it is more like $201 million if only 2,266,666 of them (appx 2/3 of the total passengers aboard) came ashore and spent their $89.

In one part of the article they say the 600,000 overnight tourists spend a total of $520 million on Cozumel, a number I do not believe. That is an average of $866.66 for each person for their 3.5-day stay not including air (which isn’t counted). Later, they say the overnighters spend an average of $538 each during their stay of “three to four days,” which would make it $322,800,00.00, a number I still do not believe.

553,776 people arrived by plane on the island last year, according to ASUR. How many are tourists, how many are residents, wasn't broken down, but I guess if you take a large part of that number and add it to the unknown (they don’t ask) number of overnighting tourists arriving by ferry, you may be able to get to some number like 600,000, but who knows? Sounds like real “guestimating” to me.

Nothing in this article adds up!

Thank you for weighing in, Ric. I'd be very interested in any light you can shed upon the whole matter.

 

[Brules]

What about the bribes from cruise ships - those certainly stay on La Isla LOL!

 

[scubafanatic]

In my case NO, but then again I don't know the full story, but whether I like it or not it's not for me to judge what the locals think it may do for them, in a positive or negative way. My real concern about any huge change is whether it came about because it was wanted (by the locals) or because a politician or 2 became rich suddenly so it would happen. I don't always like things which go on here where I live but I accept what the majority approve knowing it's been done (usually) in an honest & transparent way.

It appears Canadians live a rather sheltered existence :

How corrupt is your country?

Corruption 'score':

Canada 10th place

USA 17th place

Mexico 103rd place