Nitrox Tank Labels?

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MikeFerrara:
No need to clean a tank (beyond what would be required for air) that is only going to be exposed to mixes below 40%.

Also Grade E air doesn't cut it. What most agencies call for is modified grade E.

Mike,
If you are a shop you should be following the manufacturer's policies..

Both Luxfer and Catalina both state anything above 23.5% (cga standard) MUST be maintained in an oxygen clean state.

Catalina goes even 1 step further in stating that ANDI cleaning standards should be used (there is a caveat stating that a program paralleling ANDI standards is acceptable unfortunately no other agency has one yet)

Luxfer cylinders as of 2000 and catalina cylinders are o2 clean from the factory.. Fabers are supposedly also clean..

Thermo valves should not be used (per their latest recommendations) for any mix over 40% but for anything above 23.5% it must be maintained in an oxygen clean state.. They don't recommend PP belnding with their valves.
 
MikeFerrara:
During the time I owned a shop I had insurance with 2 different companies. I went from pumping just air to pumping trimix, O2 and argon and it never had any effect on the cost of insurance.

Over the last few years I have worked for several shops in the N/E and all the owners have told me their insurance changes once they start pumping nitrox/mixed gases. I was the manager of a dive shop and I saw the increases the shop insurance would be charged if we were to start pumping Nitrox, the increase was significant.

The fill log pretty much takes care of this.

True.

The VIP sticker takes care of this. Of course the only way to know how safe it is to pump O2 into a tank is to have full time control of the tank.
How does the one who sold you the tank know any more about who else fills it and how the tank is maintained?

If the LDS knows the customer then they are more comfortable dealing with that customer than a complete stranger. That's only human nature, people fear the unknown.
When a strange diver walked into your shop and asked for a 38% fill how did you react?

Again this has not been my experience. What insurance company charges more if you sell nitrox. I had shop insurance with both Vicencia & Buckaly and Marsh and my premiums were uneffected by selling mixed gasses.

How about the general shop insurance for having a compressor on premises? Then add the presence of bottled O2 and the fire dept regulations that entails? Then the need for fire containment? And the requirements for fill station/operator safty? Etc.....

It can be almost impossible to cost-justify the cost of any fill station in an area where you don't sell lots of gas.

According to what I have seen that is mostly the case. And that's the point. Nitrox fills cost even more to produce and in general that cost is NOT passed on to the consumer.

A couple of things here though. What is a nitrox compressor? I have a great fill station, I'm a blender and a blending instructor but I don't know what a nitrox compressor is.

Now your being picky. Would this do?
An air compressor capable of producing high quality breathable air as defined by local code in relation to the presence of moisture, hydrocarbon and contaminent content of the gas. Said device to be used in conjunction with a system capable of changing the oxygen content of a gas mix by any recognised method.

The phrase "Nitrox Compresor" is a convenient description, that's all.

No need to clean a tank (beyond what would be required for air) that is only going to be exposed to mixes below 40%.

I believe there are many threads discussing this very topic. I won't labor the point.

Also Grade E air doesn't cut it. What most agencies call for is modified grade E.

I stand corrected. But if you put fully synthetic oil in a grade E compressor you get GEmod. There is NO hydrocarbon content. (Providing the compressor has not been run with std oil of course)

As for me, I'm the owner and principal instructor of a diver training school, a PADI MSDT, a certified gas blender and cylinder inspector. I am trained as a reg tech for several manufacturers and I have been a commercial diver trained for deep saturation habitat diving. Finally, I like cats.

My post was an attempt to point out several items that were not previously raised. I hope I accomplished that.

Regards,
Paul.
 
fun2chase:
The Nitrox sticker does not prepare a shop to partial fill a tank. A tank can hold oxygen levels above 21% if a membrane is used. The only way a shop will partial fill a tank is with a current O2, vis, and hydro! The large Nitrox sticker that has to be removed each year to visually inspect a tank is merely a tax!

and it usually isn't removed each year.
 
padiscubapro:
Mike,
If you are a shop you should be following the manufacturer's policies..

I no longer have a shop.
Both Luxfer and Catalina both state anything above 23.5% (cga standard) MUST be maintained in an oxygen clean state.

Catalina goes even 1 step further in stating that ANDI cleaning standards should be used (there is a caveat stating that a program paralleling ANDI standards is acceptable unfortunately no other agency has one yet)

Luxfer cylinders as of 2000 and catalina cylinders are o2 clean from the factory.. Fabers are supposedly also clean..

Maybe they should do like some other manufacturers and just sell you a special green one for an extra $100.
Thermo valves should not be used (per their latest recommendations) for any mix over 40% but for anything above 23.5% it must be maintained in an oxygen clean state.. They don't recommend PP belnding with their valves.

Genesis says the same thing. There you go that doesn't leave very many other valves in the world that we can use on our deco bottles does it?
 
padiscubapro:
Mike,


Catalina goes even 1 step further in stating that ANDI cleaning standards should be used (there is a caveat stating that a program paralleling ANDI standards is acceptable unfortunately no other agency has one yet)

What's so different about the ANDI cleaning standards?
 
jkennedy:
Sounds like we need goverment regulations for this issue. Right............

We definately need some one to step in and streighten out some of the manufacturers.
 
MikeFerrara:
What is a nitrox compressor? I have a great fill station, I'm a blender and a blending instructor but I don't know what a nitrox compressor is.
Mike, here is a picture of a nitrox compressor.

It is the round black cylinder thingy in the lower center of the picture. Nitrox is made in the small silvery vertical cylinder above it and the Nitrox compressor compresses it. :D
 
Uncle Pug:
Mike, here is a picture of a nitrox compressor.

It is the round black cylinder thingy in the lower center of the picture. Nitrox is made in the small silvery vertical cylinder above it and the Nitrox compressor compresses it. :D

LOL - UP.
What's next? Will you be telling us that Nitrox is made from air?
 
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