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Seems fairly comprehensive.

Any particular reason dives 13&14 are with 50% and dives 15&16 (deeper) are with oxygen?

If I were planning those dives, I'd likely reverse the deco gas selection.

Reminds me of NAUI Cave1 where they took everyone else's curricula and added a little bit more. 30/30 and 25/25 that must be to allow graduates to blend in anywhere :D

Barring some really weird or exceptional profile requirement/need, I wouldn't use 50% as a deco gas for a 100ft dive. And I would really hesitate to use it for slightly deeper 25/25 dives too.
 
Seems fairly comprehensive.

Any particular reason dives 13&14 are with 50% and dives 15&16 (deeper) are with oxygen?

If I were planning those dives, I'd likely reverse the deco gas selection.


Reminds me of NAUI Cave1 where they took everyone else's curricula and added a little bit more. 30/30 and 25/25 that must be to allow graduates to blend in anywhere :D

Barring some really weird or exceptional profile requirement/need, I wouldn't use 50% as a deco gas for a 100ft dive. And I would really hesitate to use it for slightly deeper 25/25 dives too.

Marc, you'd be correct in doing that. However, your main concern as a diver would be to plan the most efficient decompression possible.

In class, students are usually introduced to deeper diving by progressive steps. The deeper switches on the 50% are simply for the minimum gas advantage. Students will have more bottom time when they generally are a little more nervous and may consume more gas at depth. Having more gas allows us more opportunity to learn and reduces time/gas pressure. So, while the 50% is not as optimal from a deco standpoint, experience has taught me that it is a better tool for beginning experience dives.

In my Tech 1 class with Andrew, we dove to 100 feet to start and switched to 50% at 70 feet. We did the same in Bob's Tech 1. I did the same in my TDI courses as a student.

I would keep my students on 50% throughout the course, but many want to use oxygen during the class for the experience. Using it during the next phase will demonstrate how minimum gas will change based upon having to ascend to 20 feet before the switch. The last two dives to 150 feet with the switch to 50% at 70 feet will be what they will be doing after class.

Diving education often takes more factors into consideration than they way we normally dive.

Rjack, most recreational programs have been built off the foundation of the US Navy and L.A. County. GUE came from NSS-CDS and NACD. Programs are built upon programs. When I joined PSAI they wanted skills done with flooded masks as well as masks on and off. Some students who can perform with a mask off have problems with doing skills with a flooded mask and must overcome their perceived discomfort.

It's no secret that I borrow from GUE and UTD. Since I started my tech career with GUE training, that principle of primacy kicks in, and having had AG and MHK for DIR-F and Tech 1, Bob Sherwood for GUE-F and Tech 1 and Ed Hayes for GUE-F, and completed my internship with Bob before deciding joining the GUE instructor corps wouldn't make me happy, I find all of DIR valuable. However, unlike most of you who didn't have a lot of diving experience before entering the DIR world, I had 18 years of experience as a diver and ten years of experience as an instructor at a headquarters for an agency for which the top 1/3 of GUE instructors taught recreational diving.

While they could teach an old dog new tricks, I learned so much more from other organizations as well. As Bruce Lee said, "Absorb what is useful."

Many of my students want to take advantage of this knowledge, but I get so many from GUE who don't want to deviate too far from DIR. As a proponent of DIR onewould think you would want more divers being taught better skills, better gas management, and one would also think you'd be totally supportive of an industry professional like myself helping the deep air guys begin to retool to the 21st century. It's not my agency. If it was, I would seriously think about getting rid of any deep air diving past the 150 foot level. Extended range programs are very popular in Asia where they can't get mix, but 180 feet IMO is quite deep. I don't support the PSAI Narc Management program or the Extended Range courses past that point. But, I'm just one voice.

That voice just made them take one small step forward. Cut me some slack.
 
That voice just made them take one small step forward. Cut me some slack.
From small accorns and all that!

Yes, fight the fights you can, take the wins and build on them. I wish you very well in this endeavor.
 
Some students who can perform with a mask off have problems with doing skills with a flooded mask and must overcome their perceived discomfort.

You mean, I'm not alone? :)
 
Many of my students want to take advantage of this knowledge, but I get so many from GUE who don't want to deviate too far from DIR. As a proponent of DIR onewould think you would want more divers being taught better skills, better gas management, and one would also think you'd be totally supportive of an industry professional like myself helping the deep air guys begin to retool to the 21st century. It's not my agency. If it was, I would seriously think about getting rid of any deep air diving past the 150 foot level. Extended range programs are very popular in Asia where they can't get mix, but 180 feet IMO is quite deep. I don't support the PSAI Narc Management program or the Extended Range courses past that point. But, I'm just one voice.

That voice just made them take one small step forward. Cut me some slack.

I think you have an uphill END battle with PSAI's background/foundation coming from Hal Watts. Good luck.
 
In my Tech 1 class with Andrew, we dove to 100 feet to start and switched to 50% at 70 feet. We did the same in Bob's Tech 1. I did the same in my TDI courses as a student.

I would keep my students on 50% throughout the course, but many want to use oxygen during the class for the experience. Using it during the next phase will demonstrate how minimum gas will change based upon having to ascend to 20 feet before the switch. The last two dives to 150 feet with the switch to 50% at 70 feet will be what they will be doing after class.

That doesn't seem uncommon. Many of the people I dive with did their tech1 stuff with 50% only. I've just always found it a bit weird.

For better or for worse, my first stage deco dives were using Oxygen (from average depth of 110 or thereabouts), with 50% introduced as we proceeded deeper (150 or thereabouts).
 
Trace,

Congratulations on your position with PSAI and I wish you success in your role.
 
Phewww that brings back memories. An people think fundamentals is stressful.

John, the Sport Trimix course isn't complete yet. Here is the current outline for classes I'm conducting. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE DEEP AIR TO 240 FEET. PSAI never required that for training. It was required that PSAI students be certified as Advanced Nitrox and suggested that they be Narcosis Mgt. Level III 150 feet for entry level trimix training to 200 feet. PSAI, TDI, and IANTD used to require advanced nitrox and extended range before trimix training. Now, the current landscape says divers should be able to avoid deep air diving if they so choose for trimix training within the mainstream tech agencies. Most still demand advanced nitrox/deco prior to trimix. This program is designed for the "air scared" to choose mix training in place of advanced nitrox. Since the course isn't in print, standards may change in the final product.

Dive 1: Critical Skills Training (20 - 60 feet of water)

1. Dive Planning - Instructor will demonstrate proper and thorough technical dive planning.
2. Pre-Dive Safety Checks - Instructor will demonstrate pre-dive safety checks.
3. Skills Review: Skills performed while carrying a single deco bottle.
A) Time-controlled descent
B) Frog Kick
C) Modified Frog Kick
D) Flutter Kick
E) Modified Flutter Kick
F) Shuffle Kick
G) Modified Dolphin Kick
H) Helicopter Turns
I) Backward Kick
J) Fundamental 5 - reg clear, reg exchange, mod S, mask clear, mask remove/replace
K) S-Drill
L) Valve Drill
M) DSMB Deployment
N) Time-controlled gas sharing ascent
4. Debrief - Instructor conducts post dive debrief.

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Dive 17: Triox 21/35 with 50% deco gas (130 - 150 feet of water)

1. Dive Planning - Students plan dive with instructor as team member
2. Pre-Dive Safety Checks - Students perform pre-dive checks with instructor as team member
3. Skills:
A) Normal descent
B) Execute dive plan on back gas
C) Execute deco plan on Nitrox 50
4. Debrief - Students debrief dive with instructor as team member

Dive 18: Trimix 18/45 with 50% deco gas (150 feet of water)

1. Dive Planning - Students plan dive with instructor as team member
2. Pre-Dive Safety Checks - Students perform pre-dive checks with instructor as team member
3. Skills:
A) Normal descent
B) Execute dive plan on back gas
C) Execute deco plan on Nitrox 50
4. Debrief - Students debrief dive with instructor as team member

Written Examinations: Students must score 80% or better.
 
100m on air for 3mins, that's some sort of 1980s relic you read about in Caverns Measureless to Man

There is no PSAI course that covers that depth/gas/time, so I'm not sure why you mention it


It appears that you can be certified to dive up to 240' on air from the website

240' is the target depth of the PSAI Narcosis Management Level 6 dive, but you are not 'certified' to dive to that depth or on that gas. Actually there is no 'depth certification' from that course at all, at any level. I don't think the website gives that appearance, certainly if you take the course you're not under that impression
 

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