Need help installing Air II

[SM Diver]

detroit diver once bubbled...



You knew damn well before you posted that I would not put one of those on my rig based on my posts, so don't tell me that it wasn't a troll.

You are really clueless, aren't you. Of course I knew you wouldn't use one of those. Nothing could have been more clear. All I asked for was the REASONS and PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that gave rise to such strong opinions. What's unreasonable about that, and what makes that a TROLL? Go back and read my first post, detroit. If I were to tell you that I think your reg is a piece of crap, would it be unreasonable for you to say, "Scott, why do you think that? Do you own one, or have personal experience?" That all that I asked of you, and you immediately went on the defensive and started with name calling. Again, real class.

 

[Scuba446]

Hey,
Don't feel bad - I'be had the DIR 'Gods' call me the same because I refuse to play along with their 'brainwashing' of gear choice.

MY experience with them in 8 of our OW class sessions were good. I actually LIKED the idea of one less hose and reg to worry about dragging in the mud, and I found it quite nice.

The only thing I was concerned about was if I was ascending and wanted the inflator hose in the UP position to dump air as I rise, how can I now breathe on the AIR2?

That was MY only confusion...but the AIR2 worked well for me, except when I got in a horizontal position like I was laying on my back looking up at the surface. But then, MY AquaLung Titan XLC reg (which works great) gets sluggish in the same position as well...so...

 

[Dan Gibson]

They are both fed through the same inflator hose. If you have to disconnect the inflator, you no longer have air to breath. I would call that the domino effect. If they were truly independent, you could breath from a free flowing AIRII while doing an OOA ascent. It may not be pretty, but you do have air.

tampascott once bubbled...


Dan, if I understand, either you, or your buddy, ran out of air during a dive. The person with the Air-2 (the smart one who didn't run out of air) donated his primary to his buddy, at which time the BC inflator got stuck (presumably as the Air2 was used as the back-up reg). Talk about bad luck, you've got a simultaneous OOA and stuck inflator.

But if you grabbed your Air2, and started breathing off of it, I don't see how the inflator would get stuck unless you at least pushed it (and then, that would be extremely rare). The inflator is independant of the regulator, so there would no domino affect from reg to inflator.

I'm not trying to start anything, just trying to get more specific facts about personal experience.

 

[rcohn]

For the record I use an Air II and it works just fine.

detroit diver,

There is nothing stopping you from unscrewing the cover plate and cleaning debris underwater, though I probably would not be inclined to try it.

Dan Gibson,

Why would you be using the inflator during an OOA ascent???? Most of us dump air during ascents. If your gear is maintained and functioning properly, why would you expect it to suddenly stick at that moment???

Ralph

 

[SM Diver]

Dan, thank you for clarifying. I agree, that is major task loading and a very bad situation to be in. With it being rented, one has to question maintenance. Do you happen to know if that was a Scubapro Air2, and does anyone know if the current models are still first generation?

 

[detroit diver]

tampascott once bubbled...


You are really clueless, aren't you. Of course I knew you wouldn't use one of those. Nothing could have been more clear. All I asked for was the REASONS and PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that gave rise to such strong opinions. What's unreasonable about that, and what makes that a TROLL? Go back and read my first post, detroit. If I were to tell you that I think your reg is a piece of crap, would it be unreasonable for you to say, "Scott, why do you think that? Do you own one, or have personal experience?" That all that I asked of you, and you immediately went on the defensive and started with name calling. Again, real class.

Which part of this didn't you read???? :

Scuba446 once bubbled... Y...

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Scuba446 once bubbled...
Yes,
I'm curious how a respected name in scuba gear, by everyone, including DIR folks, would find anyhting from Scubapro 'crap.' I don't think I've seen ANYTHING from Scubapro that could be deemed as 'crap' - whether one likes a integrated octo or not.

Enlighten me?

Is the quality poor?

Is the design poor?

Does it breathe poorly?
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I sure hope you don't purchase everything you own because it's got a "name brand". Remember the Pinto? It was made by Ford. Brand naming is done by marketing people and advertising agencies.

Why do you keep bringing up DIR? I never mentioned it. DIR's a whole lot more than equipment, but some people just haven't figured that out yet, or don't want to.

Really simply, it's the overall concept of the unit. If the valve on the unit goes (ie free-flow and you yank the hose), you lose both your inflation AND your backup regulator. And it doesn't matter how deep you are so it's applicable to recreational divers. If you've got to repair it on vacation, you've got to find a dealer that handles the parts for that unit. A backup reg under your chin (notice I didn't mention any "brand") can be replaced by just about ANY reg from any shop, anywhere. Even a scubapro reg! I can take apart my reg underwater to clean out any sand, etc. You can't do that with the AIR2 as far as I know

Yeh, you can do an OOA with it, but given the options, it wouldn't be my first, second, or fifth choice.

There are just better ways to handle situations that this unit pretends to fix.


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As for being called "lad", I don't need that condescending tone either.

 

[Aquamaniac]

tampascott once bubbled...
detroit, at this point, I can only assume you're elevan or twelve years old. While you and aqua have fun with your little smilies,

HEY , I like my smileys, Im kind of fond of them :tease:

 

[Dan Gibson]

I don't use it during an ascent. That does not mean it can't fail. If it can't happen, then why do you think the skill of disconecting is taught?

rcohn once bubbled...
For the record I use an Air II and it works just fine.

detroit diver,

There is nothing stopping you from unscrewing the cover plate and cleaning debris underwater, though I probably would not be inclined to try it.

Dan Gibson,

Why would you be using the inflator during an OOA ascent???? Most of us dump air during ascents. If your gear is maintained and functioning properly, why would you expect it to suddenly stick at that moment???

Ralph

 

[Genesis]

During an ascent you need to DUMP air, not add it.

So how does this "stuck" situation arise?

Second, the inflate button on the Air2 is easily "feathered". You quickly learn to add air NICE AND SLOW using it - if it sticks, you have plenty of time to unplug it, unlike many inflators that nearly run away on you when pushed.

You're assuming a double failure scenario here.

If you have one of those, you are probably already dead. Those kinds of failures are nearly impossible to guard against in an effective manner.

 

[SM Diver]

detroit, I thought there must certainly be a lot more to base such a strong opinion on then some theory not based at all on personal experience or fact.

Scuba, that is a good point about the need to hold the dump valve up. The design of my BCD has a second upper valve over the right shoulder, so I could use that while still breathing off my Air2.

detroit, I am not trying to be overly confrontational. You can make fun of my posts, call me a troll (or an idiot, etc.), but when you start making light of an issue that concerns safety, then we have an issue.