Need help installing Air II

[sheck33]

let me clarify, anything i say here IS my personal opinion and i am sure the local diveshop will gladly make you believe they are useful devices. So I dont like them. Sorry to sound frustrated but lately i have been running into so much crappy equipment sold to divers and misinformation given by instructors that i have become a little edgy on the subject.
LSD's selling these devices like spare deaths are an example of shops that will sell anything to a new diver, it's sad.
;-0

my apologies if i sound bitter sometimes.

 

[Scuba446]

Aquamaniac,
[inappropriate comment removed by Rick Murchison] I believe he asked for help, and not opionions.

The bungee necklace is only ONE way of doing it - and thats an opinionated response. Thats not gospel, and those of of you who think that there is ONLY one way to get from point A to point B exhibit tunnel vision.

Thats one of the big reasons why DIR is frowned on - the callous method in how the message is delivered. And yes, a bungee necklace IS as much DIR any anything else DIR preaches. It doesn't have to be, but normally is.

My agency used AIR2's exclusively for our BOW course, and while I'm not a big fan of them, they sure worked fine and did eliminate an extra hose and reg to deal with. However, I would never tell anyone they are junk and the ONLY way to go is the bungee necklace. I have tried not only DIR methods BUT simple basic OW config of gear and BOTH work fine - its just a matter of what you are trying to accomplish. The fact that 90% of divers probably use basic OW config has to say something about gear - it works!


DIS - Do It Safe in MY new motto!

PS If you bought it mail order many shops will still help you install it if need be - of course, it'll cost you a few bucks for labor!

 

[Rick Murchison]

Calling people "idiots" is even less helpful than calling equipment "crap." If y'all want to sling mud at each other or at each other's gear, take it back-channel.
We are about information, ideas, suggestions and good will here. If you feel a need to call names, back away from the keyboard, take a break, think about how to better express your frustration.
We don't have to agree - on anything - but let's keep it civil.
Love,
Rick

 

[Scuba446]

I agree - its counter-productive. My apologies.

I think everyone could do well to respect each other's diverse opinion's in gear selection and choice - and respect that our choice(s) are based on our personal preferances and likes.

Enough said?

I certainly wouldn't call Scubapro's AIR2 'crap' - from one of the most respected names in scuba gear for years. Simple fact is, they work and if yu prefer and integrated air source (as some do) - they work fine.

 

[miked]

Your last post says it all. One of the many reasons I enjoy this Board is its Civil tone-and I deeply appreciate the efforts of regulators to maintain that civility without squelching valid differences of opinion.
Thanks again,
Mike

 

[detroit diver]

Scuba446 once bubbled...
I agree - its counter-productive. My apologies.

I think everyone could do well to respect each other's diverse opinion's in gear selection and choice - and respect that our choice(s) are based on our personal preferances and likes.

Enough said?

I certainly wouldn't call Scubapro's AIR2 'crap' - from one of the most respected names in scuba gear for years. Simple fact is, they work and if yu prefer and integrated air source (as some do) - they work fine.

What else would you like me to call it? Junk? Garbage? Trash?

I'm sorry you don't like "crap", but this board is as much about opinions as anything else. And I think the AIR2 is all of the above. YOU might not, but that's YOUR opinion. If I think somethings wrong, and there's a better way to do it, I'll voice my opinion.

Of course, if this board prefers that I just shut up, I can do that also. You'll have a nice board with everyone agreeing with each other. That'll be useful....

 

[Rick Murchison]

detroit diver once bubbled...


What else would you like me to call it? Junk? Garbage? Trash?

I'm sorry you don't like "crap", but this board is as much about opinions as anything else. And I think the AIR2 is all of the above. YOU might not, but that's YOUR opinion. If I think somethings wrong, and there's a better way to do it, I'll voice my opinion.

Of course, if this board prefers that I just shut up, I can do that also. You'll have a nice board with everyone agreeing with each other. That'll be useful....

No, lad, I don't want you to take your ball and go home in a fit of pique... I want you to use accurate terms you can back up with fact. None of the terms you've chosen are accurate - and you know it.
What, specifically, do you not like about the Air2? So far all you've done other than call it names is make a vague reference that it "imposes way to(sic) many problems" without specifying a single one.
Why not keep the invective bottled up for a few words and educate us on these problems, hmmm?
Rick

 

[Scuba446]

Yes,
I'm curious how a respected name in scuba gear, by everyone, including DIR folks, would find anyhting from Scubapro 'crap.' I don't think I've seen ANYTHING from Scubapro that could be deemed as 'crap' - whether one likes a integrated octo or not.

Enlighten me?

Is the quality poor?

Is the design poor?

Does it breathe poorly?

 

[redacted]

Scuba446 once bubbled...
Yes,
I'm curious how a respected name in scuba gear, by everyone, including DIR folks, would find anyhting from Scubapro 'crap.' I don't think I've seen ANYTHING from Scubapro that could be deemed as 'crap' - whether one likes a integrated octo or not.

and the flip snorkle isn't likely to appear on anyones best buy list. But I like my Air 2. LDS screwed it up a couple times but once I learned to tune it, problems went away. But a bungeed octo is a good alternate air solution also. I bungee the 2nd from my pony, when I use it, so the air 2 avoids a lot of conflicts or rearrainging. With my DIW pull shoulder dump, there is no problem using it during an ascent.

The EDI is a great computer as long as you want as short a dive as possible and don't want to plan any subsequent dive in salt water.

 

[detroit diver]

Scuba446 once bubbled...
Yes,
I'm curious how a respected name in scuba gear, by everyone, including DIR folks, would find anyhting from Scubapro 'crap.' I don't think I've seen ANYTHING from Scubapro that could be deemed as 'crap' - whether one likes a integrated octo or not.

Enlighten me?

Is the quality poor?

Is the design poor?

Does it breathe poorly?

I sure hope you don't purchase everything you own because it's got a "name brand". Remember the Pinto? It was made by Ford. Brand naming is done by marketing people and advertising agencies.

Why do you keep bringing up DIR? I never mentioned it. DIR's a whole lot more than equipment, but some people just haven't figured that out yet, or don't want to.

Really simply, it's the overall concept of the unit. If the valve on the unit goes (ie free-flow and you yank the hose), you lose both your inflation AND your backup regulator. And it doesn't matter how deep you are so it's applicable to recreational divers. If you've got to repair it on vacation, you've got to find a dealer that handles the parts for that unit. A backup reg under your chin (notice I didn't mention any "brand") can be replaced by just about ANY reg from any shop, anywhere. Even a scubapro reg! I can take apart my reg underwater to clean out any sand, etc. You can't do that with the AIR2 as far as I know

Yeh, you can do an OOA with it, but given the options, it wouldn't be my first, second, or fifth choice.

There are just better ways to handle situations that this unit pretends to fix.

...No, lad,...

As for being called "lad", I don't need that condescending tone either.