NAET and asthma

[fisherdvm]

It's too bad we are not as cynical with regard to all those commercials on TV that prod us "ask your doctor" about this new medication or that one.

You have a right to be cynical. I hate those ads - as the consumer drives the treatment. Doctors are the prostitutes, and the drug companies are the pimps in many way. I miss military medicine, partly because the drug reps are not allowed to interact with doctors - and can not influence our decisions as well. And I believe that my patients were treated as well with a restricted pharmacy, as the ones who have access to every drugs advertised on TV. Sometime, the less drugs we use, the better life is.

 

[Web Monkey]

Yeah, I guess you are right. they would probably even say an alternative therapy won't work just so they could continue to make a buck off of a patient. After all, if someone is cured they don't need the doctor for the problem anymore.

I'm not a doctor and I don't make any money if you see one. I'm also not an "alternative medicine" practitioner and don't make any money when you go there either.

I am, however a reasonably intelligent human that believes that the laws that keep all the various molecules in the universe behaving more or less as expected do not stop doing so for Dr. Nambudripad's personal benefit.

This means that holding sealed jars of various substances is not a valid diagnostic test for allergies.

This also means that true allergies (immune system over-reactions to various substances) are not permanently treatable by any NAET methods, since no NAET methods permanently modify immune responses.

There has never, ever been any verifiable evidence of NAET's effectiveness at treating allergies. Testimonials are not evidence. Double-blind studies by reputable, disinterested investigators are.

The only reason I even bother responding to this thread is because I find it distasteful to give every bizarre theory that rolls down the road equal footing with actual, validated science.

In fact, even if the only thing Dr. Nambudripad could do is diagnose allergies though sealed jars, James Randi has a million dollars waiting for her. If NAET is real, she should step up and claim her prize!

Terry

 

[scubaren]

I'm not a doctor and I don't make any money if you see one. I'm also not an "alternative medicine" practitioner and don't make any money when you go there either.

I am, however a reasonably intelligent human that believes that the laws that keep all the various molecules in the universe behaving more or less as expected do not stop doing so for Dr. Nambudripad's personal benefit.

This means that holding sealed jars of various substances is not a valid diagnostic test for allergies.

This also means that true allergies (immune system over-reactions to various substances) are not permanently treatable by any NAET methods, since no NAET methods permanently modify immune responses.

There has never, ever been any verifiable evidence of NAET's effectiveness at treating allergies. Testimonials are not evidence. Double-blind studies by reputable, disinterested investigators are.

The only reason I even bother responding to this thread is because I find it distasteful to give every bizarre theory that rolls down the road equal footing with actual, validated science.

In fact, even if the only thing Dr. Nambudripad could do is diagnose allergies though sealed jars, James Randi has a million dollars waiting for her. If NAET is real, she should step up and claim her prize!

Terry

I am also not a doctor and I am not an alternative medical practicioner. I am currently a patient, recently diagnosed with asthma going to both an MD and for NAET treatments. The drugs are causing nasty side effects so I do not want to use them the rest of my life. The NAET is providing relief, slowly but surely.

I don't understand how a testimonial is not evidence. You have got to be kidding. You are claiming that even if people are helped it is still no good. Talk about bizarre. I can't figure that out. It makes no sense if you think about it. You as a "reasonably intelligent human being" can't figure it out so it can't possibly work. WOW.

I am personally having success with NAET. I am speaking with others who are having success with NAET. I am sorry that you don't see it is worth my effort to inform others of something that is working for me. I'm sorry to have asked on this board if it has worked for others. Now do you want me to just stop posting? Should I also call our local news station and tell them they should not run segments like this anymore? That sounds like censorship to me.

It is up to Dr. Nambudripad to go after the million if she wants. That is not my business.

 

[Web Monkey]

I don't understand how a testimonial is not evidence. You have got to be kidding. You are claiming that even if people are helped it is still no good. Talk about bizarre. I can't figure that out. It makes no sense if you think about it. You as a "reasonably intelligent human being" can't figure it outs so it can't possibly work. WOW.

A testimonial is not evidence because the patient has no way to know if the symptoms were helped by the treatment or by something else.

The common cold is a great example. Antibiotics are completely ineffective against it, however millions of people demand them when they get a cold. If they take the antibiotics as prescribed, they'll be better in a couple of weeks. If they don't take them, they'll be better in a couple of weeks; however the world is full of people who still beleive that antibiotics cure colds.

I am personally having success with NAET. I am speaking with others who are having success with NAET. I am sorry that you don't see it is worth my effort to inform others of something that is working for me. I'm sorry to have asked on this board if it has worked for others. Now do you want me to just stop posting? Should I also call our local news station and tell them they should not run segments like this anymore? That sounds like censorship to me.

Given that the penalty for a severe asthma attack underwater could easily be panic, AGE, or even death, recommending an unproven treatment as a cure is extremely irresponsible. It would be exceptionally fascinating to see of you can get the Good Doctor to sign your SCUBA medical release, stating that she has cured you of asthma.

Terry

 

[scubaren]

A testimonial is not evidence because the patient has no way to know if the symptoms were helped by the treatment or by something else.

The common cold is a great example. Antibiotics are completely ineffective against it, however millions of people demand them when they get a cold. If they take the antibiotics as prescribed, they'll be better in a couple of weeks. If they don't take them, they'll be better in a couple of weeks; however the world is full of people who still beleive that antibiotics cure colds.



Given that the penalty for a severe asthma attack underwater could easily be panic, AGE, or even death, recommending an unproven treatment as a cure is extremely irresponsible. It would be exceptionally fascinating to see of you can get the Good Doctor to sign your SCUBA medical release, stating that she has cured you of asthma.

Terry

Many years of using a half of a box of tissues EVERY MORNING when I ate grapefruit for an allergy I didn't know I had (vitamin C) have stopped after one treatment for vitamin C allergy. There is no other explanation for this other than NAET. I AM CURED of this allergy. Many of those who seek out NAET have not had success using modern medicine or like me, have bad reactions to the medications.

I don't see using an alternative treatment that is working and discussing it as irresponsible. The severe, acute attacks I was having were no joke. They can be life threatening and I am well aware of it. I would never dive without asthma under control whether using traditional medicine or alternative treatment. I would think that most other divers are sensible enough to do the same. Worst case scenario as I see is that the treatment won't work for some. Well traditional meds don't work for everyone either. Right now I wouldn't ask either the MD or the NAET practicioner to sign any release form. The would be irresponsible. I am not healthy enough to dive yet. Ultimately I believe that this is up to me, not any doctor. They don't know me as well as I do. I live with my lungs 24/7, they don't.

 

[fisherdvm]

An interesting commentary on the placebo effect, is that many dermatologic drug trials will find benefits from the placebo cream as well. Therefore, the components of the placebo cream (petroleum jelly or mineral oil) has pharmacologic action as well.

A recent study done on atopic dermatitis response to desensitization found limitted improvement in both the control and study group - indicating how much the placebo effect is to simply receiving saline shots.

 

[scubaren]

Let's talk about irresponsible.

This video was on CNN yesterday:

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Nearly 10,000 people have had adverse reactions to the drug Gardasil. 21 have died. Merck is not being held responsible for using certain segments of the population (young women - what a disgrace) as guinea pigs. How many double blind studies did they do before this was released to the general population? How many placebo studies were done? Were those studies effective? I don't believe they were. How many more young people will be killed or become physically ill before this drug is pulled? Let's turn to our government for help. Oh wait....they are in bed with the drug companies. I think the drug company executives should have to test using their own children, themselves or government members who support them before releasing drugs to the general population.

This isn't "snake oil". It is snake venom.

 

[Web Monkey]

Let's talk about irresponsible.

This video was on CNN yesterday:

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Nearly 10,000 people have had adverse reactions to the drug Gardasil. 21 have died. Merck is not being held responsible for using certain segments of the population

That's certainly interesting, but has absolutely nothing to do with "curing" potentially life-threatening allergies using nothing but happy thoughts.

Terry

 

[616fun]

Let's talk about irresponsible.

This video was on CNN yesterday:

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Nearly 10,000 people have had adverse reactions to the drug Gardasil. 21 have died. Merck is not being held responsible for using certain segments of the population (young women - what a disgrace) as guinea pigs. How many double blind studies did they do before this was released to the general population? ...

http://www.clinicalstudyresults.org/

If you really want to know go look it up. The FDA requires all pharmas to post clinical study results online.

 

[fisherdvm]

Let's talk about irresponsible.

Nearly 10,000 people have had adverse reactions to the drug Gardasil. 21 have died.

If I were single and still on the market - give me that Gardasil - ASAP....

Heck, it covers only 4 strains of HPV, but offer cross protection for other strains. I've seen a teenage girl who was totally protected from getting genital wart from her boy friend. And one man who noted his genital wart regressing soon after the shot.

So, one has to consider the risks an benefit. For a single man or woman in the market - to me it is well worth it. Trust me, I treat the stuff every day....
And it is a pain in the tooshy (if you are unlucky enough to get it there).