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That's certainly interesting, but has absolutely nothing to do with "curing" potentially life-threatening allergies using nothing but happy thoughts.

Terry

Here is a drug that has gone through the clinical trials (which NAET does not). It is currently being used in the population and is making people ill and in some cases killing people. I still haven't found a case of NAET killing anyone. Have you?

Once again, you don't understand how it works so it must be working by "happy thoughts". Do you understand how everything in your life works? Your car, your power, your toaster? If you don't that stuff shouldn't work either. Maybe that stuff works by "happy thoughts" as well. Maybe your car starts because you use "happy thoughts".
 
That's certainly interesting, but has absolutely nothing to do with "curing" potentially life-threatening allergies using nothing but happy thoughts.

Terry

I love this. People are dying using approved drugs and your response is that it is "interesting"? That is pretty screwed up. Medicine can kill. Admit it.
 
If I were single and still on the market - give me that Gardasil - ASAP....

Heck, it covers only 4 strains of HPV, but offer cross protection for other strains. I've seen a teenage girl who was totally protected from getting genital wart from her boy friend. And one man who noted his genital wart regressing soon after the shot.

So, one has to consider the risks an benefit. For a single man or woman in the market - to me it is well worth it. Trust me, I treat the stuff every day....
And it is a pain in the tooshy (if you are unlucky enough to get it there).

Hey, it's your body. Go for it if you want to. I am not convinced that the parents and children given this vaccine are aware that it has the potential to cause severe illness and in some cases kill.
 
I still haven't found a case of NAET killing anyone. have you?

If you manage to talk anybody with severe asthma into believing that NAET cured them, you'll be able to read about it here after they go diving and have an attack.

Once again, you don't understand how it works so it must be working by "happy thoughts". Do you understand how everything in your life works? Your car, your power, your toaster? If you don't that stuff shouldn't work either. Maybe that stuff works by "happy thoughts" as well. Maybe your car starts because you use "happy thoughts".

All the items you mentioned work based on measurable physical processes.

NAET involves no processes that can be measured or that have any permanent effect on allergic response.

Come back when NAET can pass a double blind study for any of it's methods. I'm not picky, either it's diagnosis or treatment would be fine.

Terry
 
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If you manage to talk anybody with severe asthma into beleive that NAET cured them, you'll be able to read about it here after they go diving and have an attack.

All the items you mentioned work based on measurable physical processes.

NAET involves no processes that can be measured or that have any permanent effect on allergic response.

Come back when NAET can pass a double blind study for any of it's methods. I'm not picky, either it's diagnosis or treatment would be fine.

Terry


I do not agree with you. I believe that a diver will know whether he or she is healthy enough to dive. DAN even suggests that asthmatics may dive if they are not having ongoing attacks and are under control. It does not suggest that people with asthma should not dive. What difference does this make whether they are feeling better due to meds or by an alternative treatment?

You still do not understand how everything works that I previously mentioned. My point is that something can work without someone understanding how it works.

I would like to continue to argue with you but I am off for another treatment with NAET. IT IS WORKING.
 
Let's talk about irresponsible.

This video was on CNN yesterday:

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Nearly 10,000 people have had adverse reactions to the drug Gardasil. 21 have died. Merck is not being held responsible for using certain segments of the population (young women - what a disgrace) as guinea pigs. How many double blind studies did they do before this was released to the general population? How many placebo studies were done? Were those studies effective? I don't believe they were. How many more young people will be killed or become physically ill before this drug is pulled? Let's turn to our government for help. Oh wait....they are in bed with the drug companies. I think the drug company executives should have to test using their own children, themselves or government members who support them before releasing drugs to the general population.

This isn't "snake oil". It is snake venom.

There is no proof that any of these deaths are linked to Gardasil.

The news report you linked to is a NEWS report, not a study, the news is designed to titillate. The main subject of the report has a shot two months prior to symptoms; very little chance of linkage.

The process of getting a new drug to market takes about ten years, the process is long and expensive, and watched by FDA every step of the way.


The testimonials you cite are disregarded by those who know somewhat of the way the body works because the testimonials start of as garbage. The testimonial that begins with the woman in the iron lung at age one due to pneumonia for example. She is of the wrong age for the negative pressure vent, positive pressure ventilation was used in her childhood age. A person with pneumonia would not be placed on a negative pressure ventilator.

One cannot be allergic to the substances many of the testimonials state they are allergic to.

Allergies cannot be diagnosed by "muscle weakness"

Best of luck with your treatments
 
My point is that the vaccine has gone through all the tests. It is not safe but is used. People are dying from the vaccine whether Merck wants to admit it or not.

Not to be gruff, but people die. 21 people out of how many that have received the injection died? The percentage I am sure is staggeringly small.

I do believe as a society we are overmedicated. I think we've taken to the concept of a pill makes everything better. There's money in medicine, as there is money in NAET. People will find a way to make a buck. I still think I take my chances with double blinded efficacy studies (not to mention all the toxicology studies that occur prior to ingestion by humans) over something not founded in science.
 
Not to stray from the topic of NAET, but a little more info on the wart vaccine, which I believe will save more life (and embarrassing growths on genitals) than any deaths due to the vaccine:

Dr. Iskander has been heading the postlicensure safety monitoring of the vaccine. The CDC and FDA monitor the safety of all vaccines through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). This system collects unconfirmed reports of events occurring after vaccination, and anyone can file such a report.

As of June 30, 2008, the VAERS system had received 9749 reports of adverse events after Gardasil vaccination, of which the great majority (94%) were classified as nonserious and the remaining 6% classified as serious.

Merck said that as of June 2008, it has distributed more than 30 million doses of Gardasil worldwide, including nearly 18 million doses in the United States. The company says it cannot determine the exact number of doses that have been administered, but, based on private insurance claims data and a broad estimate of public-sector use, it estimates that at least 8 million US women have received at least 1 dose. Gardasil has been available in the United States since June 2006.

Dr. Iskander commented that, of the 9749 adverse events reported, the 6% to 7% serious adverse event rate for Gardasil compares with a serious adverse event rate of about 10% to 15% reported for all vaccines (including Gardasil) in the VAERS system.

However, Dr. Harper counters that a direct comparison of these percentages is an invalid metric to use, as the population may not have been as motivated to report less serious events in other vaccines (eg, targeted at infants or the elderly) that have been less actively promoted, and this could artificially elevate the proportion of serious adverse events reported.

The nonserious adverse event reports include syncope, pain at the injection site, headache, nausea, and fever. The agencies note in their statement that fainting is common after injections and vaccinations, especially in adolescents, and say that they have reminded immunization providers about the recommendation to watch individuals carefully for 15 minutes after vaccination. Falls after fainting can cause injury and can be prevented by keeping the individual seated during the observation period, they add. This recommendation was added to the Gardasil prescribing information, and so far this is the only change that has been made to the product's labeling.

The serious adverse event reports were death, Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), and thromboembolic disorders.

Most of the individuals in whom thromboembolic disorders have been reported already had risk factors such as the use of oral contraceptives, which are known to increase the risk of clotting, the agencies comment.

Incidence of Guillain-Barré Syndrome

GBS occurs spontaneously in the general population, and Dr. Iskander noted that there is a baseline occurrence of this disorder among adolescents of about 1 to 2 per 100,000 persons per year. The CDC and FDA say the available data do not suggest an association with the vaccine: "To date, there is no evidence that Gardasil has increased the rate of GBS above that expected in the population."

Dr. Iskander said more definitive data on the incidence of GBS, as well as other adverse events, should be available within the next few months from the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) Project. A large, controlled study is almost complete that is comparing a vaccinated population (360,000 doses of Gardasil) and an unvaccinated population and looking at 9 very specific important outcomes, including GBS, blood clots, and seizures. "We are working feverishly to complete this study," Dr. Iskander said, "and then we will be able to say whether any of these events are occurring at a higher incidence in the vaccinated population."

With circumspection, Dr. Harper added: "It is unlikely that there will ever be a statistically associated relationship between peripheral neuropathies (GBS, etc) and Gardasil because the occurrence is rare — this does not mean that Gardasil is not involved in triggering these diseases; it means that we will never have enough evidence to prove absolutely no association in any subgroup of the population."

Dr. Harper noted that GBS has been associated with the meningococcal vaccine Menactra (Sanofi Pasteur). "This vaccine is no longer recommended in Canada because the incidence of GBS after Menactra is higher than the general Canadian population incidence," she commented. In the United States, promotion materials for Menactra state: "There is a potential for an increased chance of getting Guillain-Barré syndrome following vaccination."

The CDC recommends meningococcal vaccine for children aged 11 to 18 years, which overlaps with the age group that is approved to receive Gardasil. "The administration of Menactra with Gardasil (on the same day, different arms) is probably not wise," Dr. Harper commented, although she added that there is no CDC contraindication against coadministration of multiple vaccines.

Adverse-Event Reports on Watchdog Web Sites

The actual reports collected by VAERS have been made available on the Web site of the watchdog organization JudicialWatch, which obtained the records from the FDA under the Freedom of Information Act. A compact disc containing 8864 records was sent by the FDA on June 10, 2008.

JudicialWatch says the adverse event reports "read like a catalog of horrors," and it questions the safety of the vaccine, but the group also questions its efficacy in preventing cervical cancer and criticizes Merck's promotion of the product. "Given all of the questions about Gardasil, the best public health policy would be to reevaluate its safety and prohibit its distribution to minors," it says. "In the least, governments should rethink any efforts to mandate or promote this vaccine for children," JudicialWatch concludes in a special report on the vaccine, published on its Web site on June 30, 2008.

The VAERS records of adverse events after Gardasil vaccination on the JudicialWatch Web site have been used by other groups to highlight concerns over safety of the product.

Part of the problem stems from an ignorance about the VAERS system, says Kenneth Alexander, MD, PhD, chief of pediatric infectious disease at the University of Chicago, in Illinois. He has acted as a paid speaker for both Merck and GlaxoSmithKline, but he pointed out that he has been researching HPV since 1992, long before the vaccines came along.

"There is a lack of understanding that temporal relationships do not prove causality," he said in an interview. "In scientific terms, this is a very sensitive assay, but it is entirely nonspecific. It is not designed to pick up cause-and-effect relationships, and so it picks up a lot of noncausal events."

Consumer Concerns Not Assuaged

Consumer concerns over safety have not been assuaged by "reassurances from the government," said Barbara Loe Fisher, cofounder of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC). "We have heard reassurances about safety before — for example, with the whole-cell pertussis (diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus [DPT]) vaccine in the 1980s," she said, noting that this was subsequently withdrawn and replaced by an acellular version in the United States in the 1990s.


Ms. Fisher has a son whom she believes was damaged by the DPT vaccine 28 years ago, and she has worked ever since as an activist in the vaccine safety field in various capacities, including a 4-year stint as a consumer member of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.


The NVIC, self-billed as "America's Vaccine Safety Watchdog," has also accessed VAERS reports and made them available in a searchable database on its Web site. These data show that during 2008, reports about Gardasil have accounted for 20% to 25% of all VAERS reports on all vaccines, Ms. Fisher said. "This is striking, as Gardasil isn't a mandatory vaccine while many other childhood vaccines are, but we don't know what this means."


In addition, the NVIC has been running its own private vaccine reaction registry for the past 26 years, and it currently has about 140 reports on Gardasil, Ms. Fisher said. "These include reports of injury and death, and we are seeing a pattern of what we have termed 'atypical collapse,' " she commented. "These include cases where a girl suddenly passes into unconsciousness either immediately or within 24 hours of vaccination and then revives feeling weak and unable to speak properly or exhibiting other neurological signs. What we are concerned about is that girls are not aware of this possibility and could be crossing the road or driving a car and suddenly pass out."

Ms. Fisher also outlined concerns about how Gardasil has been studied. She pointed out that very few of the participants in the clinical trials were aged 11 to 12 years, which is the recommended target age for the vaccine. The New York Times reported in 2006 that of the 20,000 trial participants, 1200 were younger than 16 years.

Ms. Fisher added that the fact that the placebo used was aluminum based, and so the results may not give a true picture of the events associated with the vaccine, and noted the lack of any prelicensure data on administration of Gardasil simultaneously with other vaccines, in particular the meningococcal vaccine, which is targeted at a similar age range. She suggested that the vaccine was recommended for preadolescent girls prematurely.

"A lot of people reading these VAERS reports are shaking the pepper shaker to try to find salt," Dr. Alexander told Medscape Oncology. He is especially concerned that a small number of people, and he mentioned specifically JudicialWatch and the NVIC, "may have another agenda and may have an axe to grind."

Dealing With Safety Concerns Is Part of Patient Education

Dealing with concerns over safety is part of patient education, although it can become "a little onerous to explain all of the time," said Kevin Ault, MD, associate professor of gynecology and obstetrics at Emory University, in Atlanta, Georgia, and with the Winship Cancer Institute. He has been administering Gardasil to the "catch-up" population at the university clinic and said that by the time he sees these young women, they have usually already decided that they want the vaccine, but even so, there are lots of questions about safety, some which are unfounded. For example, he has been surprised at how many times he has been asked about mercury in vaccines and autism (after publicity over the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine) and has had to explain that no vaccine in the US now contains mercury and that, anyway, autism is not a risk for an individual in their 20s.

There has been a steady, low-level rate of "agitation" over the safety question for about a year now, Dr. Ault told Medscape Oncology in an interview, but he has not noticed any increase over the past month or so. His position is that the data available so far show that the vaccine is safe; the serious adverse events that have been reported are very rare, and there has been no consistent association between the vaccine and any particular serious adverse event. "It comes down to patient education," he said.

Improving the Health of Young People

Dr. Alexander said that reassuring about safety is only part of the story, and educating about the benefits of HPV vaccination is very important. He is a strong advocate for HPV vaccination: "Do I think this is going to prevent people from dying from cervical cancer? Absolutely.

"In the end, we all want to improve the health of our young people," Dr. Alexander commented. "The question is, is HPV immunization a good way to do it? From my perspective, we have the proven benefits that these vaccines prevent HPV infections and cervical precancers. These real and proven benefits of HPV immunization must be balanced against the potential but rare and entirely unproven associations of the vaccine with serious adverse effects. As I add things up, the proven benefits far, far outweigh the theoretical, rare, and unproven risks."

However, Dr. Harper said: "In developed countries where Pap screening systems have been effective for decades, the biggest value of the HPV vaccine will not be in preventing deaths from cervical cancer. The true value of the HPV vaccine will be to provide women with a greater reassurance that their future Pap screens will more likely be normal.

"Pap screening is still the only proven method we have for cervical cancer prevention," Dr. Harper pointed out. "We don't know how long the vaccine will protect a woman from HPV infection, and the vaccine does not protect against all types of HPV infection that cause cervical cancer." She said that the data so far show that vaccination is effective for 5 years, but it is still unknown whether boosters may be needed. Gardasil protects against 4 types of HPV, 2 of which are responsible for about 70% of cervical cancer, and the other 2 for about 90% of genital warts.

"In the end, regardless of whether a woman chooses to be vaccinated or not, the take-home message is to start and continue Pap screening throughout your life," Dr. Harper said.
 
When one look at the adverse reaction to Gardasil, and the preventable diseases .... Think real hard before you consider that ORAL intercourse is safe....


HPV associated cancers in the US:

Cervical 11150
Vulva vaginal 5630
Penile 1280
Anal 4540
Airway 24540

Total: 47,250.

What amazes me is that we only focus on cervical cancer prevention, but look at the big picture, and we will think twice about who the vaccine will benefit. Not me..... As my practice income depends on a reliable flow of patients with genital warts.
 
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