NACD Instructor standards violation

[LiteHedded]

he's been trying to trick me into diving gulf sinkholes for months now...

 

[victorzamora]

Forgive my ignorance, but what's the deal with gulf sinkholes?

 

[kensuf]

Deep. Salty.

 

[victorzamora]

[Sarcasm]I'm glad I asked. I would've NEVER been able to deduce that alone! [/sarcasm]

Jokes aside, are they filled with life kind of like the Great Blue Hole or is it the structure in them or is it just a muck dive for the purpose of going deep?

 

[PfcAJ]

Might be cave to explore. U don't know if u don't go.

The he ones I've got any info for are somewhat far off shore so they're remote and certainly deep. Those two factors mean not s lot of traffic.

 

[The Chairman]

9. Promoting students to undertake diver training in the overhead environment is a violation of NACD ethical standards.

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o Each NACD Instructor, by virtue of voluntary membership in NACD, recognizes a responsibility and obligation to promote NACD and support the official decisions and policies adopted by NACD. In fulfilling this obligation to the organization, the NACD

It would appear that these requirements are at cross purposes. I have yet to meet the instructor that did not 'promote' their classes. This sets up all instructors to violate the rules and then the same rules require that they violate them anyway. You can't promote the NACD without promoting students to take classes. Talk about a catch 22.

The cave community should have learned its lesson about transparency by now. The practice of suppressing any information, positive or negative, is anathema to promoting safety. The intent might have been noble but the results are horrible. Open and honest discussions here and elsewhere do a lot towards exposing bad practices and bad instructors. Forbidding members to 'disparage' or to 'refrain from making any public content' is Orwellian no matter how you try to justify it. Trying to keep instructors from discussing events and issues via threat of expulsion is a great way to control the spin, but that goes against the whole idea of transparency. It's what SDI/TDI did to Jim Wyatt for expressing his feelings about their efforts to cash in on cave diving. Sure, it works for North Korea, but is that how you want to be viewed? Such draconian responses makes you wonder what they are really trying to hide.

In addition, it fuels the fires of back biting and turf wars in the cave community. How many have expressed that the whole mess brought against Rob Neto is fraught with hearsay and pettiness? The rumor is even circulating that this is a ploy by Larry Green to get to be training chair again. Now you've pissed off Rob to the point that he is simply out of craps to give. He won't respond to these silly allegations because after TWO YEARS, it's obvious that they aren't going to go away in spite of absolutely no evidence. Rob is being rail roaded simply because he won't lower himself to continue to play cave community politics. It's no wonder that he has been bitten by the bitter bug and refuses to play along with the charade. Now, are my comments 'disparaging' or heart felt constructive criticism? There's no way for anyone but me to know my intent. If you're butthurt by the comments, then they are disparaging. If you agree with them, then I'm your cyber hero.

 

[PfcAJ]

Uhh Pete, did u forget the entire thing of how Rob got the training chair position?

 

[Pavao]

It would appear that these requirements are at cross purposes. I have yet to meet the instructor that did not 'promote' their classes. This sets up all instructors to violate the rules and then the same rules require that they violate them anyway You can't promote the NACD without promoting students to take classes. Talk about a catch 22.

Perhaps it's meant to read, "non overhead training in overhead environment"?

 

[tbone1004]

Perhaps it's meant to read, "non overhead training in overhead environment"?

From what I have heard from a few of the people that wrote it, the meaning is basically "don't go promoting cave diving to non overhead divers, let them come to you". So you can't go to a dive shop and be like "hey I'm a cave instructor, you should learn how to cave dive with me", it was meant to hopefully protect cave diving from becoming a for-profit activity and the essence of the NACD was to promote safe cave diving practices, never to promote cave diving. The instructors did it to keep people from not coming back if they wanted to dive in the caves, never for them to make a living out of it.

 

[The Chairman]

Uhh Pete, did u forget the entire thing of how Rob got the training chair position?

I have no idea. Sounds like more innuendo and I doubt there's little actual evidence to support the theories. The cave community is fractured. It's worse than the Hatfields and McCoys and instead of being ashamed of the antics, we hold expulsion over people's heads for merely talking about it.

And a note: I've already got calls by friends of Larry Green. I haven't suggested that Larry has orchestrated anything. I've been told that he has rejected the offer of Training chair at this point. I did point out that the rumors are flying and that in true form the cave community embraces the rumors and innuendos OVER THE ACTUAL FACTS with alarming ease and consistency. When's it going to stop? When is the cave community going to get out of sixth grade and stop with the endless childishness? Until transparency is embraced by all the agencies, then it's never going to end. Never.