MaxAir Swim Fins - Stay Down Longer with Less Effort

[undrwater]

Both of you are being reasonable, and from where I sit, you're agreeing.

 

[REVAN]

Both of you are being reasonable, and from where I sit, you're agreeing.

As they say, "All's fair in love and war". I think it is fair to say that @NetDoc and I both love diving, and that we also have different goals and expectations of ourselves and our gear in the water.

Some are happy to sit back and watch the world swim by. I'm ravenous, always wanting more and willing to do something about it.

I have to wonder though, if all someone wants to do is frog kick old school paddle fins, why even bother to waste your time on a thread about new fin tech? This stuff is very interesting to me, and I'm glad to see someone working on new solutions. If you want an old solution, that's fine too, but I hate my old Rocket fins so much that I started making my own fins rather than use those old designs. In that process, I've learned that fins can be a whole lot better than those old school fins. I hope that these MaxAir fins will succeed in making a quantum improvement, and I think they have a chance of doing that.

 

[The Chairman]

why even bother to waste your time on a thread about new fin tech?

I asked a question relevant to my style of diving... but you seem to want to insult me again and again. I'm not sure what about my question that seems to provoke you, but it's tiresome and I think I'll unsubscribe to this thread now.

 

[scubadada]

...The frog kick can be fairly efficient for trust production...

I agree, I bet Pete does too

 

[REVAN]

I asked a question relevant to my style of diving... but you seem to want to insult me again and again. I'm not sure what about my question that seems to provoke you, but it's tiresome and I think I'll unsubscribe to this thread now.

I'm sorry that I made you feel insulted that I'm not interested in your style of diving and want to do something different. I didn't see that, I guess because I'm not insulted that you are not interested in my style of diving. I just thought we were having a spirited discussion on the merits of different swimming techniques, and on optimizing one's gear for one stroke over another.

Cheers mate...

 

[The Chairman]

I'm sorry that I made you feel insulted that I'm not interested in your style of diving

Nice red herring... here's what you opened with:

I think the frog kick is kind of a dumb kick technique

divers frog kicking remind me of Vanilla Ice; " - Poser Alert".

You're silting out this discussion and don't even realize it... just like most flutter kickers. This is what internet trolls do with a passive aggressive posting style. Now please, stop pulling me back into this discussion.

 

[TECreation]

Let's face it, diving uses a lot of different kicks and they all have their advantages in the appropriate situations. The cool thing is the MaxAir fins do them easier.
By adding your names to our mailing list we will be able to launch a crowdfunding campaign sooner to get thousands of these fins out there for everyone to try. Talk is cheap and signing up is free and will actually accomplish something.

 

[undrwater]

There's a lot of healthy skepticism here. Perhaps if you could get your fins on someone swimming in a silty area; swimming forward, turning, and swimming backwards while close to the bottom, you'll get a better response.

(Edit for grammar and spelling)

 

[TECreation]

Yep. We have some of that. I am still processing the diving week from Ft Lauderdale. We had a couple of nice wrecks to dive on. I got some good footage of a swim through with a stop in the middle with no silt stirred up what so ever. Look for that to be on line soon.

 

[REVAN]

For the record, I actually opened with this:

Have you considered that the reason you won't pay $200 or more for a dive fin is simply because you have never used a fin that is worth more than $65? Granted there are a lot of $65 fins out there that are sold for closer to $200, but that doesn't actually mean that it is a $200 fin. Look at those $189 F1s and tell me what tech they have that would make it a $189 fin when it is built and functions just like the cheap fins.

Good equipment costs money. At DEMA show, I was looking at the new UP-F1 fins from Aqualung / OmerSub. The rep said they retail at $850.

What about Mares? Are these fins too expensive? (Frankly, I think these looked to be better than the UP-F1.)
http://www.leisurepro.com/p-MRSFRC1...2@ADL4LP-adType^PLA-device^c-adid^56051352613

It costs Mares in the $500 range to make and sell a good diving fin. They sell the cheap fins to scuba divers because they generally don't know any better and don't think they need any better. But this is a good reference point. Good diving fins cost about $500. It is up to you if you choose to dive with lame gear. A lot of people do it all the time and you can still have fun in the water. Just know that the capabilities of lame gear is not the same as that of the good gear.

If Dave can make some good dive fins and sell it in the $200 range, he's actually got something great compared to the current status. I have had a chance to try one of the prototypes. I thought they were noticeably better than the other scuba fins we had available to compare against. They felt less resistive than most all other fins and went further per fin stroke. The only fins that seemed to perform better were the really expensive freediving fins. Dave's fins split the performance difference between the best of the scuba fins and the really expensive composite freediving fins. There was a lot of performance drop off for many of the other scuba fins. I didn't do any highly controlled testing (just swimming along the anchorline laying on the bottom of the lake for a reference), but it was good enough to see there is something new with this tech.

Others, pulled out of context, OW vs cave diving references and such.... but whatever.

I did insult the overuse of the frog kick in OW diving applications. Not that it's all bad, there is a time and a place for it. I guess I push back because others push it so hard with the one tool for everything philosophy. I find that POV annoying, and it seems to dominate around here.

Peace!