Is the DIR reg config safe when diving with rec trained divers?

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The only real question is if you are comfortable donating the long hose, and if you've had some mentoring or instruction in how to do an s-drill.

There are ways that a long hose can go very wrong (e.g. put on the long hose, then put on the necklace reg, then try to donate the long hose), which a little training/mentoring can help.

I was scanning the answers to see if this would come up, I'm glad Lamont mentioned it. Kathy, I find that a lot of seasoned practitioners forget (or were diligent enough when learning never to run into the problem) that DIR hose routing takes a little extra effort when gearing up than a traditional recreational reg setup. With a "regular" setup, you pretty much just pop the primary in your mouth and make sure you know where your octo is.

With a long hose, you do need to make sure you put the regs on right, and you REALLY should test via an s-drill before getting into the water or descending. In case you haven't used a long-hose setup before, you should first take the backup and bungee it around your neck. THEN, set up the long hose (behind right of wing/shoulder, around your lower right torso up and across your chest up to the left of your neck, around the back of your head to the right, and into your mouth).

You want your backup on first so that its hose remains under your long hose, so you don't accidentally trap the long hose as you try to donate. You want to make sure you didn't forget to put your bungee necklace on. You also want to make sure that the loop of long hose that goes behind your neck is not too big, and doesn't accidentally catch the valve or first stage regulator of your tank.

All of these issues can be caught by performing a mod-S drill after gearing up and before getting in the water; a mod-S is a one-person mock air-share: you essentially deploy the long hose with your right hand (remember to duck your head slightly to let the loop free itself over your neck as you deploy) as you would do towards an OOA diver, and insert your backup reg with your left hand. This will catch any trapping problems that may have come up during gear-up (and if you breathe from your primary and secondary during the drill, you confirm your tank valve is open, too). After fully deploying, you then re-stow, and go diving.

It's probably a good idea to go through this a couple of times with someone who is familiar with the system, it only takes a few minutes. I muddled through a lot of it by myself at first, and everytime I failed to do a mod-S, I'd find out during the dive that I had forgotten one of the things above.

Once you get used to the procedure, it really becomes second nature. But IMO, switching to a long hose without getting a basic run-through of how to set up and use it is more dangerous than just completing your vacation with the setup you're used to, and working out the long hose with a mentor when you get back (but again, if you can get just 30 minutes with a DIR mentor first, this should be a complete non-issue).
 
FYI, a lot of the SP faceplates are interchangeable. You may be able to swap the yellow R295 cover with whatever else you are breathing. I've swapped the S555 and R295. I think the S600 is also interchangeable. I don't think color makes the least of difference, but anyone who is trying to find fault with your gear will jump all over it.

Tom
 
FWIW, I use a 5' long hose for my primary on recreational single tank dives. And I'm not even Canadian! :rofl3:
 
(but again, if you can get just 30 minutes with a DIR mentor first, this should be a complete non-issue).

Point taken. I think it's best to find a local DIR mentor to explain and check the new hose configuration and practice the S-Drill with, or just dive what I know until I receive proper training.

Any suggestions who?

FYI, a lot of the SP faceplates are interchangeable. You may be able to swap the yellow R295 cover with whatever else you are breathing.
Tom

$12 - for a dark gray SP R295 reg cover.
 
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Those new to the Hog set-up generally have several of the issues below when they first convert:
1. Forget to secure bungied back-up around neck before securing the long hose.
2. Forget to "un-kink" long hose before securing....most common problem.
3. Not having waist buckle tight enough.
4. Forgetting that the bungie is still around their neck when removing their kit at the end of the dive.
5. Not securing the long hose out of the way when kit is set-up but not in use.

6. Forgetting to clip the primary off when it's not in use.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
6. Forgetting to clip the primary off when it's not in use.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Yup I see lots of them on the boat. 50% are in peoples' mouths, the other 50% are on the deck getting stepped on.
 
FWIW, I use a 5' long hose for my primary on recreational single tank dives. And I'm not even Canadian! :rofl3:
We won't hold that against you :)

6. Forgetting to clip the primary off when it's not in use.

Yup I see lots of them on the boat. 50% are in peoples' mouths, the other 50% are on the deck getting stepped on.

That's a good one as it is more of a "good housekeeping" habit. There are many times when it would be easier to just let it hang but that's a bad habit to start. Kathy will probably relate to it in the way that one always clips off gear when climbing... even if it's going to be loose for j u s t a moment (oops!).

Have a good trip in S.E. Asia btw, it's not cold water diving but it will have to do I guess.
 
6. Forgetting to clip the primary off when it's not in use.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

7. trapping the long hose under the waist belt
8. forgetting to put on your necklace reg at all

all of those are caught by a simple mod-s on the water or on the boat right before dropping in.
 
Back to the OP's original question:
Is the DIR reg config safe when diving with rec trained divers?
Not so much for the DIR-minded diver who's buddy's alternate air source might be a poorly performing, dragged through the muck octo that someone has "clipped off" by folding the LP hose in half and stuffing the slack end of the hose through some oddly located d-ring.

But I'm not bitter or anything!
 
I have a question to piggyback off of all that is being said. I have both the 5ft and 7ft hoses. I used the 5ft when I didn't own my CAN light. When using the 5ft hose I use to trap it under my bungie.

After a couple of divers saw my mistakes from pictures they were nice enough to point out my mistakes. They had me use a shorter bungie on my necklace and that helped me out a ton.

Now the bungie doesn't conflict at all with the 5ft hose resting on my neck since it's shorter.

But my question is not on the 5ft hose, but instead on the 7ft hose. I actually love the CAN light securing the extra length of the 7ft hose. But I haven't done a S-drill while underwater, how easy is it to deploy while around that CAN light?

Does or can it get stuck as you are trying to donate that long hose to your OOA diver? Does practice make the difference and there is no tips to the drill?

I do like that Gombessa talked about slightly tilting your head forward when donating, I hadn't thought about that, but would like a tip on the CAN since most divers have CANS.

Thanks,

MG
 

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