If you had to choose, 80% or 100% for deco gas and why.

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I use what is onhand. I lean toward 80%. ...//...

Amen. "Self-centric" honest answer. Me too.

However, doesn't work for everybody. Team diving, won't work at all. Play by the rules or go home.

OP:
This has been discussed to death, there is nothing new here other than how clever you can be at inciting a DIR/solo diver riot just to light up your last star and a half...
 
According to my tech instructor, there is a significant safety advantage in terms of fire with 80% when compared to 100%, especially when a tank is overfilled. So he recommended using 80%. Also, depending on your profile, 80% may get you out of the water quicker, since you can switch to your deco gas sooner.

I guess there might be a surge advantage as mentioned above, although you would have the same issue, only at 30 feet instead of 20 feet.

On the boat, if someone needed oxygen, I agree that 100% would be better, but I wouldn't say that 80% would be unacceptable.

100% agree but if you are doing tech dives then there should be an O2 kit on the boat.
 
100%. Faster, cleaner, easier to mix (no mixing) and no introduction of any gas other than oxygen into the tank.

The csn clock is a bunch of baloney. People have toxed without exceeding 100% and people have greatly exceeded it and not toxed. Do gas breaks and the problem is solved.
 
The csn clock is a bunch of baloney. People have toxed without exceeding 100% and people have greatly exceeded it and not toxed. Do gas breaks and the problem is solved.

Even if one were to accept your less than expert opinion on the utility of CNS for a given dive, there's the question of loading over a period of repetitive deco diving. You guys KFTC, though. Maybe you could post the GI3 Baker's Dozen​ for us, just to round out the topic?
 
100% agree but if you are doing tech dives then there should be an O2 kit on the boat.

Absolutely, I agree. But that's something that the boat captain would be responsible for, and there should be a lot of O2.

Emergency O2 would need to be more than just a single 40 CUF deco bottle, which might well be empty if it was ever needed on the boat (after a dive).

I was just saying that while a small backup 100% O2 source might come in handy on occasion, I don't think that the possibility that your deco bottle could be grabbed for that purpose is a reason to chose to dive 100% over 80%, all other things being equal.
 
At 1.6 bar ppO2 the oxygen clock is ticking away at the same rate whether you're using 80% or 100%. The only difference is the depth you're at.

To secure any safety advantage in terms of oxygen exposure you have to decompress with your ppO2 at less than 1.6 bar. You can achieve that by using either gas shallower than its MOD.
 
Absolutely, I agree. But that's something that the boat captain would be responsible for, and there should be a lot of O2.

Emergency O2 would need to be more than just a single 40 CUF deco bottle, which might well be empty if it was ever needed on the boat (after a dive).

I was just saying that while a small backup 100% O2 source might come in handy on occasion, I don't think that the possibility that your deco bottle could be grabbed for that purpose is a reason to chose to dive 100% over 80%, all other things being equal.

If I am doing a tech dive with my dive buddies, we are not counting on the boat for much beyond a good drop --hopefully we will have them overhead when we reach our 20 foot stop....but we would have already had a good dive, and we'd be happy.....:-)
But seriously, once back on the boat, if we needed O2, we are going to KNOW that we have plenty for one or more divers in our group if it was needed, and that we are not relying on the boat for this---any more than we would show up on a boat expecting them to have tanks for us( with our not having warned them of this expectation)....So we would have several spare bottles of 100% O2, and how many spares would be based on how many tech dives we were doing that day, and how aggressive the profiles. Sure dive boats have their DAN kit for recreational divers...I think a tech trip requires more O2, and more involvement in planning for contingencies than is going to be practical to expect from recreational divers...thus we bring what we want...

Not to mention, while this has never been something I felt compelled to do, I have had friends that completed deco, felt normal, got back on the boat, and then decided that after an air break, they would do another 10 minutes of 02 at their seat on the boat, to clean them out faster, better, either for an extra safety margin from a serious dive....or, so that they would be better offgassed to do active things in the afternoon--or even additional dives.....Cleaner is cleaner. 100% works for this, 80% is defective for this intent.

:D And since everyone in this thread is enjoying/expecting some 90's DIR humour....:D ......Of course I would NOT want to use 80/20 -- as being seen with this on a boat, is too much like wearing a "Kick me " sign on your back, proclaiming to one and all that your a stroke and proud of it ! :-) :D


* Disclaimer* The last point, while intended for humor, actually gets closer to the issue than most would think....the reality is that the choice of 100% versus 80%, for most dives we would do, is more like a fashion statement---some of us wear Polo shirts, some wear funky sandals, etc...each of us drops themself into a stereotype when we make certain choices...which camp do we want to appear to be in.....For most dives, I think this is really the difference.
For the really extreme, or for repetitive tech dives in same day, the surface O2 with breaks actually would be hard to argue with....then all you have to do is argue about whether you should be doing the repetitive and aggressive tech dives in the same day...:D
 
If I am doing a tech dive with my dive buddies, we are not counting on the boat for much beyond a good drop --hopefully we will have them overhead when we reach our 20 foot stop....but we would have already had a good dive, and we'd be happy.....:-)
But seriously, once back on the boat, if we needed O2, we are going to KNOW that we have plenty for one or more divers in our group if it was needed, and that we are not relying on the boat for this---any more than we would show up on a boat expecting them to have tanks for us( with our not having warned them of this expectation)....So we would have several spare bottles of 100% O2, and how many spares would be based on how many tech dives we were doing that day, and how aggressive the profiles. Sure dive boats have their DAN kit for recreational divers...I think a tech trip requires more O2, and more involvement in planning for contingencies than is going to be practical to expect from recreational divers...thus we bring what we want...


I guess what I meant was that in the planning for any tech dive, part of the logistics is 100% O2 available on the boat. On the local boats that I dive, that means a 6 foot tall O2 tank, not a DAN recreational O2 kit. I guess if you were diving from a private boat, then it would be up to you to have that available, and that might well be in the form of extra bottles. But that's a separate thing from the gas that you are planning to use for your dive.

So whether your emergency O2 on the boat is a big tank or a few extra 40s of O2, I don't see how that requirement influences what you chose to bring with you on your dive (80 vs 100), which was the OPs question.

But I do appreciate the stylistic advice, Dan..! As someone new to the world of tech diving, I want to look good... :D
 
I keep a medical O2 bottle in the jeep with me whenever I dive and take it on the boat if possible. I do prefer to deco on 80% but when I'm cave diving 100% is usually all that is easily available so I have no problem doing that. Adjust to the conditions like everything else in this world.
 

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