Hogarthian VS(?) DIR...

[Diesel298]

I think this is what Diesel was talking about

Ah yes atleast somone sees my point.
all you people who wanted to jump all over me.. i wasnt talkin about you....
but thanks for makin my point....

i also seem to remember comending all of you who help and have given good answers.....anagin. thanks for makin my point...

mabye the purple kool aid coment was a little off, but...
i was trying to make a statement about the blow offs that the new people are gettin around here...
times change, and do theorys.....
so lets all keep a open mined and not be so quick to slam people

 

[grazie42]

Originally Posted by reefraff
I'd say he has a good understanding. They are closely connected, DIR being an outgrowth of Hogarthian. The superset analogy still seems to hold true: you can be a Hog diver without being DIR but you can't be DIR without being a Hog diver. Ultimately, the history isn't that important. I think that the best way to sum up the current state of affairs is thusly: DIR is an all-or-nothing proposal with little room for compromise. Those of us with "issues" with DIR or who are too namsy-pamsy to buy the whole loaf, (the so-called "DIR Lite" crowd) will always be at least a little unwelcome in the DIR tent but the Hog divers will be happy to set a plate at the table for you.

I thought RB´s weren´t DIR?
If so its possible to be DIR without being "hog" ie doubles instead of an RB...I´m sure that if we get creative enough we can find more examples...if RB´s aren´t DIR then it also follows that DIR cannot be a superset of Hogarthian...

P.S My drysuit is being repaired so more popcorn and less diving for me...

 

[SeanQ]

I thought RB´s weren´t DIR?

http://www.gue.com/classroom/rebreather.shtml

Then why does GUE have a rebreather class?

If anyone hints at a Halcyon monopoly on DIR I might have a stroke. (The medical condition!)

 

[lamont]

Then why does GUE have a rebreather class?

The RB80 SCR unit is DIR. Nothing stopping anyone else from creating a competing rebreather but the market is pretty microscopic since most non-kool-aid RB divers go for CCR units.

 

[Kim]

The RB80 SCR unit is DIR. Nothing stopping anyone else from creating a competing rebreather but the market is pretty microscopic since most non-kool-aid RB divers go for CCR units.

Yes - but if they did could it be DIR? It's an interesting thing that the only 'DIR' rebreather is one made by Halcyon. Whether it's true or not it begs the question of whether this is more to do with marketing than real safety. If this rebreather is 'safe' enough to fit in the DIR system then why not others? It seems to be a similar story when it comes to scooters as well. I believe that they are the core issue that has caused the split in the upper GUE echelons. It would seem that no matter what GUE really doesn't like competition, or maybe I should say JJ.
(sorry Sean!)

 

[waynne fowler]

Yes - but if they did could it be DIR? It's an interesting thing that the only 'DIR' rebreather is one made by Halcyon. Whether it's true or not it begs the question of whether this is more to do with marketing than real safety. If this rebreather is 'safe' enough to fit in the DIR system then why not others? It seems to be a similar story when it comes to scooters as well. I believe that they are the core issue that has caused the split in the upper GUE echelons. It would seem that no matter what GUE really doesn't like competition, or maybe I should say JJ.
(sorry Sean!)

The only "DIR" RB's will only be SCR... not to be confused with the CCR by the GP who are unfamilier with RBT and the SOP of GUE not to mention their S & P................

Hope that helps clear things up for all you LSWADC:06:

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

The only "DIR" RB's will only be SCR... not to be confused with the CCR by the GP who are unfamilier with RBT and the SOP of GUE not to mention their S & P................

Hope that helps clear things up for all you LSWADC:06:

OMG ... that's PDC ... :browsmile

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[jonnythan]

Yes - but if they did could it be DIR?

Yes.

 

[SeanQ]

Yes - but if they did could it be DIR? It's an interesting thing that the only 'DIR' rebreather is one made by Halcyon. Whether it's true or not it begs the question of whether this is more to do with marketing than real safety. If this rebreather is 'safe' enough to fit in the DIR system then why not others? It seems to be a similar story when it comes to scooters as well. I believe that they are the core issue that has caused the split in the upper GUE echelons. It would seem that no matter what GUE really doesn't like competition, or maybe I should say JJ.
(sorry Sean!)

:eyecrazy:

Don't worry, I have some Asperin in the kitchen.

 

[JeffG]

Yes - but if they did could it be DIR? It's an interesting thing that the only 'DIR' rebreather is one made by Halcyon. Whether it's true or not it begs the question of whether this is more to do with marketing than real safety. If this rebreather is 'safe' enough to fit in the DIR system then why not others? It seems to be a similar story when it comes to scooters as well. I believe that they are the core issue that has caused the split in the upper GUE echelons. It would seem that no matter what GUE really doesn't like competition, or maybe I should say JJ.
(sorry Sean!)

Issues of scooters....

Gavins have been the backbone of the wkpp...so if it isn't broke, don't fix it. But that is a WKPP issue, not a DIR issue.

Do not confuse chest thumping and all other BS that has always surrounded SS/Gavin and now the X's scooters with DIR isssues because they are not the same.