Gue Vs Tdi

[mossym]

what disqualifies you from a gue course?

 

[pants!]

I'll make it even more controversial.

Some of us don't qualify to do GUE courses so we'll never be able to compare it to anything.

That's too bad.

As far as I can tell, you're basically guaranteed an excellent education and course no matter what instructor you get from GUE.

You can't say that about any other agency.. so, with GUE, "it's not the agency, it's the instructor" doesn't apply, does it?

 

[SDAnderson]

what disqualifies you from a gue course?

Those who smoke are prohibited from becoming students, for one...

 

[Jason B]

That's too bad.

As far as I can tell, you're basically guaranteed an excellent education and course no matter what instructor you get from GUE.

You can't say that about any other agency.. so, with GUE, "it's not the agency, it's the instructor" doesn't apply, does it?

Apparently you missed the whole 'teaching style vs learning style' discussion that a few have mentioned. I don't care how great an instructor is, if his teaching style doesn't mesh with your learning style, all is lost.

 

[Lead_carrier]

what disqualifies you from a gue course?

I smoke.

I am not knocking GUE or their courses or standards. From what I have seen and read they have some excellent course, material and education. Their courses are rigidly structured and based on dang good information and quality control.

Some other agencies the instructors will make all the difference in the world. I have had some great education, at least I think so, from instructors from other agencies

 

[Bobby]

GUE/DIR divers open to other view points??????? Let's be honest....that is a zinger. Most think there way is the ONLY way and have no consideration or respect for any other approach.

This is no doubt a generalization but an awfully pervasive impression among the non-DIR divers I know or have ever met. I must have had more experience with the close minded 20% you refer to.

I have had PM exhanges on this board with DIR divers who are not part of that 20%.

--Matt

Soryy to hear you have had bad experiences, I have as well but as I said earlier a very small percentage. I have had bad experiences with divers trained from other agencies as well and it is not fare to lump a divers personal attitude onto the cert. agency, IMHO. I dive with GUE trained divers on a regular basis and they are open to other view points. Most do not change their set up and that is their choice, but we still have a good time diving together. I do modify my style a bit to fit theirs, though that is no different then when I dive with others non-GUE that are not familiar or comfortable with how most of my dives are set up. I should metion that most of my dives are solo or with other solo divers and the mind set towards the dive is a little different.

 

[mer]

Anyone can audit a GUE class, at least at the fundamentals level. This would include smokers, those who cannot complete the swim test or u/w swim, or those without b/p wing etc setups. You are not considered a candidate for passing the class or receiving a provisional, but you can benefit from the information.

I'm sure I'd pick up a few things taking a TDI class of a level I've already completed with GUE.

 

[nova]

I don't know about other countries but in the U.S.A their will always be someone taking the exact opposite veiw , no matter if your talking politics, nascar, or diving. What people should focus their attention on is the physics and sciences that two differant agencies use as a baseline. those won't change because math is math, and the human body is the human body. all else is subject to debate

P.S in my tech class(TDI) we went through boatloads of math to plan dives but now I use Decoplanner(GUE) go figure

 

[Tom R]

Those who smoke are prohibited from becoming students, for one...

So the agency is bad cause it wont train smokers, come on even 5 year old children know that smoking is bad.

Solution ............quit problem solved take the GUE course and your diving will improve

 

[Derek S]

Anyone can audit a GUE class, at least at the fundamentals level. This would include smokers, those who cannot complete the swim test or u/w swim, or those without b/p wing etc setups. You are not considered a candidate for passing the class or receiving a provisional, but you can benefit from the information.

I'm sure I'd pick up a few things taking a TDI class of a level I've already completed with GUE.

Mer makes some excellent points here.

I challenge anyone to take or audit a GUE class, and I'd be willing to bet that you'd walk away a better diver for it, regardless of your current skill level.

I am a GUE trained diver with a provisional. I went into the class with one mindset, and that was to learn something. I didn't care if I failed miserably, as long as I learned something, had fun, and became a better diver because of it.

I always find it comical when people say "Well, I'd take a GUE class but they're in bed with Halcyon" or "I'd take a class but DIR diver's attitudes stink". Sounds to me like people are interested but don't want to admit it, most notably, to themselves. DIR isn't a class, it's a mindset, a philosophy, a lifestyle. Some can jive with that, others can't. I'm not here to decide, but I do believe in sharing my kool-aid with anyone who wants a sip. :14:

Never has the saying "Walk a mile in my shoes" been so applicable. I understand that GUE classes cost money, and some would prefer to not have to shell out cash for something they are unsure of, but it's far better to criticize an opposing viewpoint with an informed view or gasp, perish the though, even decide to join the mindset rather than just babble on, spouting the same old, tired anti-DIR solgans.