Gue Vs Tdi

[Doc Intrepid]

I know that it is always said that it isn't the training agency which determins the quality of training, its the instructor, but is that really true? After I compared the Gue and TDI websites the GUE courses seem to be much more demanding and they seem to require much more to take the course. Is this true? (Note: I am not trying to cause an arguement, I am just going off of what I saw on the website)

Didn't you open this thread with this quote? Coulda sworn this was from you...

But wait...isn't this also you?

I really do agree with your statement about tunnel vision. The whole GUE website to me seems to be filled with propaganda trying to get people to buy Halcyon gear. I can remember one passage on BCs and it basically said OMS, diverite, and other top manufactuers bc's aren't as streamline and should not be used. And in my case I do find that I have some strong disagreements about some ideas in the DIR mind set. But again, thats just me.

Keeping in mind your caveat from your opening salvo; "I am not trying to cause an argument" look at these two quotes and tell me again - has your evil twin Skippy taken over your head in between the first quote and the second? Or are you bipolar and the voices are telling you what to write?

Or just why exactly did you start this thread to begin with unless you wanted to sorta reach the (second quote) conclusion in a roundabout way, considering your first quote?

Or perhaps you're just trolling because you're bored?

Your two quotes don't sound like they were written by the same guy...

Throw us a bone here.

 

[lackingcreativity]

Didn't you open this thread with this quote? Coulda sworn this was from you...

But wait...isn't this also you?


Keeping in mind your caveat from your opening salvo; "I am not trying to cause an argument" look at these two quotes and tell me again - has your evil twin Skippy taken over your head in between the first quote and the second? Or are you bipolar and the voices are telling you what to write?

Or just why exactly did you start this thread to begin with unless you wanted to sorta reach the (second quote) conclusion in a roundabout way, considering your first quote.

Or perhaps you're just trolling because you're bored?

Your two quotes don't sound like they were written by the same guy...

Throw us a bone here.

I'll choose the Bipolar option. But seriously, I started this thread to get some infromation on the diffrences between TDI and GUE. As stated in my later post I do have a chip on my shoulder from GUE, which is why I have had to start this thread in the first place. If it wasen't for GUE Practically selling Halcyon gear on its website I would have probably signed up for a GUE class by now. I just wanted to get some opinions about them to see if I could over come my thinking about GUE or if TDI is really the agency for me.

 

[Doc Intrepid]

I see.

Well, as Jarrod Jablonski is the CEO of both organizations, and as he and his partners started Halcyon to supply the sort of equipment that GUE needed for their efforts, in reality they form a sort of symbiotic relationship.

If you take a GUE fundmentals course, however, you'll find they don't push any specific brand. You'll be told to have a backplate. They don't care if its from Scott Koplin, Fred T, Tobin, Gary Hoadley, or whomever. You'll be told you need a wing with no bungees. They don't care if its red, black, blue, yellow, from Abyss, Dive Rite, OMS, or Oxycheq. You'll need two regs. Again, if you want to show up with a couple Tusa's, no one will hand you any grief. It's about how you dive, how you perform.

Look closer before making your decision. Or not, its up to you.

Dive safe,

Doc

 

[lackingcreativity]

I see.

Well, as Jarrod Jablonski is the CEO of both organizations, and as Halcyon came into being to supply the sort of equipment that GUE needed for their efforts, in reality they form a sort of symbiotic relationship.

If you take a GUE fundmentals course, however, you'll find they don't push any specific brand. You'll be told to have a backplate. They don't care if its from Scott Koplin, Fred T, Tobin, Gary Hoadley, or whomever. You'll be told you need a wing with no bungees. They don't care if its red, black, blue, yellow, from Abyss, Dive Rite, OMS, or Oxycheq. You'll need two regs. Again, if you want to show up with a couple Tusa's, no one will hand you any grief. It's about how you dive, how you perform.

Look closer before making your decision. Or not, its up to you.

Dive safe,

Doc

Well thanks, that does help out.

 

[Snowbear]

GUE divers are no different then others and yes they feel that they got the best training when they had the right instructor. They also tend to be very open to others view points and look at other things when they are very much into diving.

You're right, *they* are no different from any other dedicated diver trained by the other agencies..... but for the most part, they sure do dive different

One of the guys in my Tech1 class was trained and had been diving TDI's Adv Nitrox/Deco proceedures. He struggled a bit with the teamwork concept but did admit to rethinking how he does a lot of things.

 

[wb416]

I know that it is always said that it isn't the training agency which determines the quality of training, its the instructor, but is that really true? After I compared the Gue and TDI websites the GUE courses seem to be much more demanding and they seem to require much more to take the course. Is this true? (Note: I am not trying to cause an arguement, I am just going off of what I saw on the website)

I know that it can be nice to have a conversation like this on SB, but it's not always real productive. But it can be a good way to pass the surface interval until your next dive while sitting at your computer.

When a new movie comes out, I always take friend's recommendations with a grain of salt. Just because they liked it very much, doesn't me I'll like it even a little.

I've experienced several different GUE instructors and a handful of TDI instructors. I've participated in and/or watched classes (lecture and in-water) for both agencies. I respect those that I've met.

Not all these instructors taught the same, and not even when covering "the exact same material" do they put the same stress or attention on the same details. My university work was focused on "Adult Learning Styles" and my current full-time profession is industrial training, so I have an objective take on different instructional and learning styles.

My strong recommendation is that you seek out instructors from the agencies you're considering and see if you can sit in their lecture and/or water work (to the level of your dive experience). I suggest doing this for multiple instructors. A secure professional will have no issues with you doing this.

In this observation you need to see if their teaching style clicks with your learning style. You should also note the emphasis they place on key points. Even if everyone is singing from the same page of music, every vocalist (instructor) will try to interpret it their own way. It's up to the conductor (agency) to make sure everyone interprets the score the same so that the sound going out is consistent. Given my druthers, I'd take a mediocre (I didn't say bad) instructor covering "exactly what I want" over an excellent instructor teaching something this isn't quite "what I was looking for".

I realize that I didn't give you my preference, but then, we may not like the same movies!! I think I posted more specific comments here a couple of years ago about TDI vs GUE (specifically two different instructors), so you may want to do a search if interested.

I'd be happy to clarify in PM if you wish to discuss further.

bob

 

[WaterDawg]

I see.

If you take a GUE fundmentals course, however, you'll find they don't push any specific brand.

Very true, we had folks w/ all different brands (DR, H, Oxy) and nothing was ever mentioned about it. Of course if I believed everything I read on here I would have expected a sales pitch...there was none.

What ever Agency one chooses/dosent choose it should be for the right reasons, " didnt like their website" isnt a very good one. Dont let things like that stand between yoou and good training (from any agency).

 

[matt_unique]

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GUE divers are no different then others and yes they feel that they got the best training when they had the right instructor. They also tend to be very open to others view points and look at other things when they are very much into diving.

GUE gets lumped in with WKKP and one source that makes an *** of himeself and what ever he has any connection to, but only the new and unlearned or the smaller 20% are so close minded.

GUE/DIR divers open to other view points??????? Let's be honest....that is a zinger. Most think there way is the ONLY way and have no consideration or respect for any other approach.

This is no doubt a generalization but an awfully pervasive impression among the non-DIR divers I know or have ever met. I must have had more experience with the close minded 20% you refer to.

I have had PM exhanges on this board with DIR divers who are not part of that 20%.

--Matt

 

[mossym]

GUE/DIR divers open to other view points??????? Let's be honest....that is a zinger. Most think there way is the ONLY way and have no consideration or respect for any other approach.

This is no doubt a generalization but an awfully pervasive impression among the non-DIR divers I know or have ever met. I must have had more experience with the close minded 20% you refer to.

I have had PM exhanges on this board with DIR divers who are not part of that 20%.

--Matt

in fairness, i've met quite a few DIR divers who don't have the better than thou attitude and are willing to discuss other ideas...

however, they are in the minority..i had someone i was diving with turn totally against DIR after sitting beside some DIR divers at a dive site one day, he'd been out of the water for a while, and never heard of DIR until he heard these guys, they were only talking among themselves, but that was enough..

my friend had a few hundred dives, and is a good diver...he couldn't believe the attitude of these guys...i have to admit they were the most extreme i've heard..

 

[Lead_carrier]

OK - I know this is going to be controversial, but let me say this:

All the folks who say "It's about the Instructor, not the agency," don't appear to have been GUE trained, have they? So just who are they making excuses for?

Something to think about, friends. Something to think about.

I'll make it even more controversial.

Some of us don't qualify to do GUE courses so we'll never be able to compare it to anything.